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28 conversations recorded by `Arthur2' (PS50T) between 27 February and 2 March 1992 with 7 interlocutors, totalling 9863 s-units, 66500 words (duration not recorded). Data capture and transcription Longman ELT BNC World Edition: Header automatically generated by mkhdr 0.31 Approximately 1357 Kbytes running text, containing about 66500 orthographically-defined words; for encoding details see <tagUsage> element. Oxford University Computing Services13 Banbury RoadOxford OX2 6NN U.K.Telephone: +44 1865 273221Facsimile: +44 1865 273275Internet mail: natcorp@oucs.ox.ac.ukKP1 XAr50T THIS TEXT IS AVAILABLE WORLDWIDE only as part of the British National Corpus at nominal charge FOR ACADEMIC RESEARCH PURPOSES SUBJECT TO A SIGNED END USER LICENCE HAVING BEEN RECEIVED BY OXFORD UNIVERSITY COMPUTING SERVICES, from whom forms and supporting materials are available. THIS TEXT IS NOT AVAILABLE FOR COMMERCIAL RESEARCH AND EXPLOITATION unless terms have first been agreed with the BNC Consortium Exploitation Committee. Apply in the first instance to Oxford University Computing Services. It is your responsibility, as a user, to ensure that an End User Licence is in place. For your information, the Terms of the End User Licence are set out in the corpus header, which is likely to have a file name similar to "corphdr" or "CORPHDR". Distribution of any part of the corpus under the terms of the Licence must include a copy of the corpus header. Distribution of this corpus text under the terms of the Licence must include this header embodying this notice. THE EXACT CONDITIONS OF USE FOR THIS TEXT ARE NOT CURRENTLY KNOWN TO THE ARCHIVING AGENCY. PLEASE CONTACT THE DATA CAPTURE AGENCY NAMED IN THIS HEADER FOR FURTHER INFORMATION. 1994-11-27 See the project description in the corpus header for information about the British National Corpus project. 1992-03-02: Arthur44teacherMerseysideA.70housewifeNorth-west MidlandsPaula43teacherNorth-west MidlandsAnthony16studentNorthern EnglandPaul14studentNorthern EnglandPhilip35?North-west MidlandsJohn72retired (engineer)North-west MidlandsSuffolk: Stonham Aspal at home peeling sprouts and talking with sons Suffolk: Stonham Aspal at home sitting relaxing Suffolk: Stonham Aspal at home UnspecifiedSuffolk: Stonham Aspal at home UnspecifiedSuffolk: Stonham Aspal at home preparing meal Suffolk: Stonham Aspal at home preparing and eating meal Suffolk: Stonham Aspal in car driving to hospital in Ipswich Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hosptial visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hosptial visiting Suffolk: Ipswich in car driving to hospital Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich hospital visiting Suffolk: Ipswich in car driving home Suffolk: Ipswich in car driving home Suffolk: Stonham Aspal home talking and having a drink Suffolk: Ipswich in car going shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in shops shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in shop shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in shop shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in shop shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in shop shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in car returning from shopping Suffolk: Ipswich in car returning from shopping Suffolk: Stonham Aspal at home UnspecifiedS conv (none) 2000-12-13edOUCSLast check for BNC World first release2000-09-06edOUCSRedo tagusage tables2000-09-01edOUCSCheck all tagcounts2000-06-23edOUCSResequenced s-units and added headers2000-01-29edOUCSRevised participant details2000-01-21edOUCSAdded date info2000-01-09edOUCSUpdated all catrefs2000-01-09edOUCSUpdated REC elements to include tape number2000-01-08edOUCSUpdated titles1999-12-25edOUCScorrected tagUsage21st September 1999edUCREL, University of LancasterPOS codes revised for BNC-2; header updated1994-11-27eddominicInitial accession to corpus


1:What's the kettle for?


2:Erm I'm not, well I was boiling it for this


3:What?


4:thing, did you want it?


5:No, no


6:No, I'm just, I'm just using it I'll knock it off now

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7:You wanting to vacuum that


<unclear >


8:for me <pause> oh shush up Paul <pause>


<unclear >


9:Come on Paul get a move on


10:I'm a zombie


11:Pardon?


12:I'm a zombie


13:Oh come on stop this


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14:stop it <pause> what's the matter?

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15:That's a good way of breaking your neck that <pause> er stop it, just get up, turn round, turn round <pause>


16:Whoever put this plant on the stairs


17:Yeah, whoever put this plant on the stairs didn't realize that we've got silly people like you in the house


18:But it, it keeps on falling over


19:whoever's put that plant on the stairs doesn't realize we've got silly people like you in the house, just have a look


20:Oh you silly


21:no just look


22:I can see what he's doing


23:he's being a zombie, so he's coming downstairs with two sleeping bags over the top of his head and knocking everything over, just look at it


24:Well he can vacuum up again


25:He can do the lot <pause> and he can grow up as well, fifteen and he's be playing at being zombies


26:get that from up here <pause> now do you want me to clean out the chicken?
27:<pause> I said do you want me to do the chicken?


28:Yeah, alright then


29:Er I'll do it


<unclear >


30:er that's not got any giblets in


31:Do you want, do you want


32:have you got an onion for it?
33:In here <pause>


34:Here there you are poppet.


35:Oh yes please I

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36:Are you going to the hospital this morning?


37:No


38:Well if you do it'll give us a chance to find out whether he's coming home today or tomorrow, and it'll give your mum a chance to get back to Southwold


39:Isn't it likely that he is coming back?


40:Pardon?


41:Is, isn't it likely he'll


42:Well, we don't know till we're told do we?


43:I think you could find that out over the phone


44:I don't think so


45:for any news


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46:I don't think so


<unclear >


47:pardon?
48:Do they always smell those things? <pause>


49:Did he think so last night?


50:No


51:No it's not that, what I'm thinking is, if he's coming out tomorrow <pause>


52:And he's got to


<unclear >


53:you'll need to get back to the bungalow


54:I will


55:to sort things out won't you?


56:I will, keep him


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57:so the more time you've got to do that, the easier it'll be for you won't it?


58:Oh yes


59:How many sugars do you have in coffee is it one?

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60:Do you have one sugar in coffee?


61:I'll just ring up and, and see


62:The only trouble is Arthur the trouble is, there


63:you get more


64:is, how do we get Philip back?


65:Oh


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66:no, well I can walk


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67:get him back and <pause> can he drive your car on your insurance?


68:Yeah your insurance


69:Me?
70:No, well I can, but it's only third party fire and theft then, just hope the fully comp goes, can you get some milk please?


71:I think it's different milk


72:It's not is it?


73:you know where the other one is, it's still at the front door


74:So what do you suggest Arthur?


75:Well, the sooner we know what's going to happen


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76:if he's going to come out, they'll be coming out, well it's Thursday today, yeah, so be coming out Friday, yeah?


77:Yeah


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78:did, did

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79:They won't send him out Saturday or Sunday


80:They did they sent people out Saturday and Sunday


81:Oh they sent people out Saturday and Sunday


82:Did they?


83:they did Arthur


84:Oh yeah


85:I thought they kept them in over


86:No they sent them out Saturday, Sunday


87:The only thing is Arthur that the, it's Philip, can you grab his car?
88:Or not


89:Well I'll check on my insurance


90:If you can drive his car over I get it, it's no problem, it seems we might all be talking above ourselves


91:Yeah, as soon as we know something we can start making decisions can't we?
92:Otherwise we're, we're in no man's land <pause>


93:Was he saying Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> in there


94:Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> round this morning yeah


95:Oh well they, they, give them time, it won't be till


96:Yeah


97:he won't of been round


98:it's half past ten


99:he won't of been round yet


100:how d'ya mean, nine o'clock, hour and a half


<unclear >


101:yeah I suppose

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102:mm <pause> Paul


103:Yeah


104:that plant, those stairs


105: Hello er how's Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">?


106:get out of there and get it done


107:Has he had the results of his second biopsy through?
108:He still hasn't had it through, cos we were <pause> yes, yes, big improvement, it was just that we were arranging visiting and things like that and er whether there's any need to do certain things, so er, but he's still on a, he's come off all his painkillers <pause> his morphine's out completely, that's fantastic isn't it?
109:<pause> Yeah and he's, but it is quite difficult to kind of withdraw isn't it <pause> oh not know, oh that's super, well <pause> oh I thought it was quite difficult to withdraw from <pause> no


<unclear >


110: never used it to kick, lord no yes that's lovely, now we can organise our day, right, thank you very much indeed, right thanks a lot, bye, bye .
111:Good news


112:He's off his painkillers


113:he's off his morphine completely


114:Good


115:how about that?


116:How about that?


117:Beautiful


118:Well that's good because it means that


119:beautiful


120:whatever it was, isn't hurting him any more


121:True


122:so


123:so


124:it's a step in the right light


125:it's, I think it's another step, I think that's a, an enormous stride <vocal desc=laugh>


126:Oh, I


127:It look like it's all clear then doesn't it?
128:I mean


129:Ah, well


130:the painkillers, you, they'd have to


131:I think it would be, it'll come as


<unclear >


132:it comes a hell of a shock now I think it was


<unclear >


133:put that champagne in that fridge


134:I don't know


<unclear >


135:oh honestly


136:Yeah, put it in the fridge


<unclear >


137:Paula all this anxiety <vocal desc=laugh>


138:All these painkillers


139:all this drainage


140:Going to the toilet as well normally yesterday he said


141:Really?


142:Yeah


143:Oh isn't it wonderful


144:brilliant, don't drop it


145:it is, it is a miracle that


146:I'll just brush the dust off


147:Yeah we've had a, we've had a plant over, we don't want the champagne over


148:Oh I don't want to be silly it's just a miracle <pause> oh God, it's normally thirty seconds that's enough


149:Are you putting er pieces of bacon on?


150:Not at the beginning


151:Oh you don't put it until the end?


152:No because it goes, it goes too hard


153:I put that onion there


154:I've got it in


155:You've got it in, have you got your

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156:I can smell something


157:Oh thank God


158:<vocal desc=laugh> Off his painkillers, my God


159:Here don't forget these


160:What you doing?


161:I take that off


162:Yeah, but that belongs to chicken shape together


163:Oh you keep yours, yours on ah, you sure the giblets out it

 <vocal desc=laugh>


164:Mother

 <vocal desc=laugh>


165:look on the packaging it says without giblets


166:I always check it


167:She always cooks it in the plastic bag though


168:No I, what I do is I test it, I clean it out even though they've done it


169:It's been washed out


170:because they leave bits in the


171:haven't you watched her doing it


172:Ah?


173:this morning, have you seen Paula doing it this morning?
174:She's been cleaning it out


175:I've seen

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176:It's alright, she won't let you catch anything


<unclear >


177:no but I say, but surely sometimes they, they have left them behind you know


178:Oh


179:Are we using these love?


180:Yes


<unclear >


181:if you put the


182:Yeah


183:put the peelings in the cupboard and then


<unclear >


184:for the guinea pigs <pause> let's go and see how Paul's doing.


185:Oh is that it


186:It's brilliant news <pause> I think he's gonna be home very, very soon now


187:Yeah I'll get a


188:very soon


189:If a, if he, if it was the


<unclear >


190:was a possibility


191:Once this biopsy's cleared, he's off his painkillers, they, they were his big drugs weren't they?


192:Yes


193:They've got, they've got his bowels going


194:he might be home the weekend


195:Well I think


196:it's possible


197:he might be home tomorrow you know


198:No, I think they'll have to get


<unclear >


199:well that's today, once, once they've cleared that


200:Yeah, well


201:is there any need then to keep him in?


202:Oh no <pause> oh no <pause> oh no they'll decide I mean Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> will know, they'll know what they're doing, I mean they know what they're doing, I don't know what they're doing, I'm not a doctor, I'm not God, nothing


<unclear >


203:yeah


<unclear >


204:how many times has he, has he done this to us now?
205:Over the years <vocal desc=laugh>


206:Don't tell me Arthur I go through all these panic stations and

 <vocal desc=laugh>


207:and


<unclear >


208:life's one big trauma with him


209:Keeps you on his toes


210:That was the week when Peter came that day when they had that very, very ill


<unclear >


211:no you, I don't use a pan you use a


<unclear >


212:and Peter came in the morning, I never thought anything I'd been listening to the radio, I heard there was a big accident on the road, a car accident


213:Mm.


214:on the road


215:It'll just go in there


216:Peter came in and it, nothing sunk, er, nothing sunk, I'm doing these


<unclear >


217:well I'll give you a hand, give you a hand


218:er nothing sunk that there was something the matter


219:Yeah


220:and Peter walks in and Andrew said to him do you want a coffee Peter?
221:He said yes Mrs <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> well then he followed me in the kitchen, stood behind me and I thought what the hell's he hanging about for, I'm gonna take it to him and the, his son- in-law was there


222:Yeah


223:and he stood in the kitchen but he said nothing


224:His son was there you said


225:His son was with him cos they, I mean


226:Who is Peter?


227:One of the fellows that used to do contract work


<unclear >


228:mm


229:and it's, John <pause> what happen was he finished, I'll have a bowl this side, a pile this side where they're


<unclear >


230:I can do, I can cope with that, you're alright, here


231:He stood there, no I don't mean that, I mean me rubbish, oh dear, and he said erm <pause> er, sorry, he started sipping his coffee, he never said anything and then he says I've got some bad news for you and I said oh my God no, car accident, I just heard it on the radio <pause> he said no, then he told me, oh God I nearly


232:What, what, what was that one then?


233:That was when he was buried in that lime at


234:Oh in the


235:in the


236:How many men were buried in that with him though?


237:They still haven't got their compensation, the fellows that were really injured, the chap that lost his eyes, was


238:Lost his what?
239:His, his eyes?


240:His eyesight, a young fellow they still haven't


241:How young was he?


242:Well, well, he, he, with a young family, wasn't he


243:In his thirties?


244:No, a bit older


245:Forties


246:Yeah, he's got


247:Yeah


248:a young family like yours


249:Yeah


250:and er


251:How, low long ago is it then, the, the accident?


252:It's nearly three years, but you see


253:Three years


254:oh it's been more


255:it's more than three years


256:it's more


257:you've been down here two haven't you?


258:Yeah


259:So


260:more than that


261:I bet it's, no, I bet it's more than that


262:and er


263:and they haven't had the compensation yet?


264:No


265:None of them?


266:No


267:Did father get any compensation?


268:Oh he didn't apply, he never, must admit


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 <vocal desc=laugh>


269:nothing wrong with me


270: not much


271:I'm alright


272:not much


273:I'm alright <vocal desc=laugh> I'm alright that's what I said to him you silly bugger you should of applied, even if you didn't


274:Oh no, no, if he's fit, you shouldn't of


275:Well then


276:no, come on


277:how do you know that this isn't the result of concrete in his phlegm and lung


278:No it was lime not concrete


279:Oh whatever it was, anyway nothing matter with him


280:Yeah


281:so


282:Yeah


283:anyway, it, it, what happened was that, you see the Irish <pause> it was a funny set-up because the Irish people were responsible for the erection of the, and the supply of everything, well they've gone out of


284:Irish?


285:The <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


286:The <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


287:Irish <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


288:Which Irish <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">, is that a company or something?


289:They were called <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


290:Yeah


291:Yeah


292:Oh


293:and ha, they were the ones that did the design and everything you see


294:Yeah


295:and then they computer people, and it, both the firms have gone bust, and each one was suing from the other for, er, insurance


296:Oh yes, yeah


297:and the insurance won't pay, won't pay out the claim


298:Typical, yeah


299:until <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> took more responsibility because it was outside contractors you see


300:Yeah


301:you understand


302:But it was a take on site then or was it, what was it?


303:The site belonged to, er, <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


304:was it, it was the <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> was it?


305:Yeah


306:Yeah


307:<gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> redesigned with computerized site


308:Yeah


309:so therefore the Irish people designed it and the Irish people gone bust and out of business


310:Yeah, yeah


311:the <pause> the chap at the <pause> at the computer place died


312:Oh my God, hmm


313:his partner

 <vocal desc=laugh>


314:they were, they, his firm was folded up because, yeah it was a sudden death, he was only in his forties


315:Oh my God


316:and er, er that was a shock you see, because he, his partner then lent <pause> mm went into liquidation, well whatever they do, I don't know


317:Oh


318:they went bust or something and they, cos his, and his wife was a partner, the chap's wife was one of the, one of the directors or partners


319:Mm


320:how they do it, you know, for er, for income tax and what have you, and of course one, one blamed the other


321:Yeah


322:and of course the insurance people would not pay out on either, <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> wiped their hands of it because they reckoned it was nothing


323:So <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> did the Pontius Pilate bit yeah


324:so consequently they're still fighting and the chap still hasn't got a penny


325:And he's got no sight at all


326:Yes


327:or his


328:he's got partial sight in one eye, <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> have kept him on


329:That's good of them


330:Brilliant int it?


331:Yeah


332:Of course he can't do the job that he was doing and he'd got potential of the future with, you understand what I mean?
333:His


334:Promotion


335:Yeah, well yeah, I mean his


336:Yeah


337:his, he can't drive, he can't


338:Yes, got


<unclear >


339:his potential working potential


340:When did your dad have that accident Paula at er, you know with the lime?


341:I don't know


342:About four years ago


343:Well, your, your mum's been down here two years hasn't she?


344:It must be four, but you see daddy went to the


345:I'll ask father


346:Oh don't mention it he just er


347:I don't know why


348:it was way back


349:that's, that's one of the nightmares


350:One of, they haven't paid any compensation out


351:that's one of the nightmares he gets you know


352:Still?


353:Oh yeah


354:What being buried?


355:when he came home


356:Buried him alive


357:oh you don't know what he was like when he was home, he was, I mean I've never seen daddy er sort of, occasionally cry and shaking


358:What cover himself up?


359:Oh yeah


360:What when he was asleep or when he was


361:No, during the day


362:During the day?


363:Don't ever tell him, my God


364:Oh my God, I didn't realize that


365:he'd just sit in the chair, oh yeah, he used to sit and

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366:why don't er what cowing?


367:you know he, he was, if he, that's, that's possibly one of the nightmare he's having that he doesn't


368:That's possibly what?


369:One of the nightmares he's having


370:What when he's on the drugs, some of these painkillers?


371:Oh yeah


372:He's get he's reliving this


373:he's, he's you see, he


374:this burying alive

 <unclear >


375:and he, of course that's what he does, you see him do it, oh yeah when daddy's not, it's


376:It all comes back


377:oh I, I mean, he sit inside, normally he'd have the present, he chucked his glasses off, he stuffed all his hankies, he had about ten hankies in his pocket


378:Yeah


379:he filled all down his mouth and


380:He stuffed them all down his mouth and his nose, all his hankies?


381:Oh yeah to stop


382:To stop the lime, the dust getting in, yeah


383:That's why he got away without too much damage


384:Ah


385:cos you see


386:and the others didn't?


387:No, because he had the present, how quick thinking


388:You could of copied that


389:his quick thinking


390:Mm


391:so immediately he knew if that comes I choke, if that comes I'm blind


392:But he did more than choke if he, if he inhaled erm, lime


393:Oh yeah


394:it burns your lungs doesn't it?


395:Well you see one of the l one of lads, naughty, he had to finish, but then he had a bad chest before


396:Ha and that finished him off completely won't it?


397:he panicked and they had a hell of a time with him because he panicked in there, in the hospital and there was a, going berserk and that <pause> but you see daddy didn't, oh there's nothing


<unclear >


398:in there, and he


399:In the hospital?


400:Yeah


401:Yeah


402:but when he came home then he


403:the shock


404:he was able to


405:the shock hit him


406:he was able to let it go


407:But you know, when you said there's been no damage to him then, physical damage there hasn't has there?
408:But psychological damage


409:Oh yeah


410:I didn't, I didn't realize he was


411:Oh yeah


412:he came home and he cowed


413:Oh yeah, I mean I had a horrible time with him for some time and it just, just


414:How long's that?
415:A cou couple of weeks?


416:A couple of weeks yeah and then he used to cry and he was like that and then he got it out of his system didn't he?


417:God, I didn't realize this Paula


418:What?


419:Your mum's telling


420:Oh don't ever tell him


421:What?


422:No, no, about your dad when he came home


423:Don't


424:Don't ever tell him


425:you know from dad's, when the lime went


426:Yeah


427:be sitting in the chair wide awake and suddenly cowed and cover himself up


428:That's suppose I think


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429:he's wide awake for no reason, crying for weeks afterwards


430:Oh I think, well he would do


431:Why?


432:It's like it's shock


433:Did you, did you know it though?


434:No, but it would be shock


435:It would be shock


436:if you'd been buried alive you think


<unclear >


437:if you were buried alive, I mean, Uncle Nat when he used, when he was in, in <pause> Uncle Nat when he was out in the war, he used to come back home and he'd only to hear a siren and he'd throw himself on the floor


438:Oh yes, yes


439:covered himself and, and fluff out, he was psychologically


<unclear >


440:the war


441:Mm, mm


442:and he, I mean er, he could, he would never showed nowt, because he was at, he had men in, he was in charge of men, like father, would never show it to them in hospital


443:Mm


444:but the minute he can come home


445:And relax


446:and release himself


447:relax and release himself


448:but, for some time he, and it, it just used to let him get it out of his system


449:My God


450:and say something


451:I didn't know that


<unclear >


452:I think when he was so near to death I thought bloody hell I bet it's that nightmare but I've not mentioned, don't mention it


453:He keeps saying it's the same one


454:don't mention it


455:No I won't do


456:cos it'll, it'll come out, he'll say to me Sunday when were at home


457:Mm


458:he'll say, you know that nightmare I keep having, it was that one, he will he'll say, and I'll say to him well


459:Same one, same one coming back


460:if, because, he saw what was going on, in a split second he saw what was happening, I mean it was, it was


<unclear >


461:when we found his glasses and that and things they were all buried and, and Peter said to me I've got this of John's, I brought Jonathan's, I couldn't care less as long as I've got John you know


462:Yeah


463:and er


464:yeah


465:he said, well, I know he's on about his glasses again ain't he?


466:Mm


467:But I think possibly as Philip said his drugs are affecting his eyesight, but then they'll need, he'll have to have them tested and, and then, because he was on yesterday about them again


<unclear >


468:yeah, but your eyes are changing all the time, so you, you should go back and have them tested regularly shouldn't you?


469:Oh yes, now, I get even get the woman to come up and


470:Does he have to pay for it now?


471:Oh yeah


472:Really?


473:Yeah


474:Mm


475:you see the trouble is Philip does, because he just <pause> you don't tell me, unless you tell lies <pause> you think <pause> if you tell lies


476:Then you can get it free


477:you can get it free, but you don't


478:You shouldn't have to pay anyway should you?


479:but anyway


480:Basic thing like your sight


481:that doesn't mat listen


482:Yeah, but, but


483:as far as I'm concerned Arthur, John's more important to me than a bloody pair of glasses


484:Oh yeah, yeah


485:I mean, and it's the same with that business


486:No, but it's


487:he'll most probably come out with it when he gets


488:Come out quietly, yeah


489:Oh yeah he never says anything at all, till this happening and he'll say, he'll say, you know about the nightmare I had it was that one, oh I know I mean, but it, it was so


<unclear >


490:I mean you, you have it, you be in a situation like that


491:Oh yeah, I, but I didn't realize you know with him the old man, the toughy, yeah


492:Yeah but if you, if you


493:No but he, he does put out


494:Oh yes he does


495:out that air doesn't he, that sort of


496:Yeah, but you don't sort of you don't let on


497:nothing gets to me


498:you don't let on, you don't, you just don't


499:But he does do that doesn't he?


500:He does say


501:In everything


502:Oh yeah, I mean that's it, he does, he just doesn't say I mean he, he just keeps it to himself


503:Yeah


504:and then he, you see he's got, at home he's got, he can release things cos there's nobody else around


505:Mm, yeah


506:you know, but that was a nightmare really, well I didn't, I won't be surprised if that isn't the one he's having


507:Oh God, see what Paul's doing, if he's up <pause>


508:I'm looking


<unclear >


509:where's Paul?


510:Upstairs, still in the bath <pause>


<unclear >


511:doing what?


512:Ringing that order through

 <unclear > <pause>


513:Paula do you want anything else done love?


514:No that's it


515:Is that f is that our lunch, dinner?
516:What, is that for tonight or


517:Are we having it tonight?


518:will we be having this?


519:We'll have it for dinner


520:We're having it hot


521:For dinner?


522:For dinner


523:Right <pause> so if we get down to the hospital this afternoon


524:Well


525:Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> would of seen him this morning


526:Yes


527:so we'll get down this afternoon then, alright, fair enough <pause> at least we know what we're doing now <pause> Your bedroom's a tip.


528:Yeah I know, I'm working


<unclear >


529:oh God


530:What you doing?


531:Maths


532:Maths, it looks like English


533:Yeah, it's really notice you can change it, cos what it does is it, oh hell <pause> you can edit the colours of everything so if, if you can't understand, cos sometimes it goes over itself, like grey means normal writing, yellow means bold and underlined and pink


534:That's about your name at the top


535:erm pur erm blue that


536:yeah


537:means italic


538:italic, purple


539:erm upper case


540:upper case


541:twelfth subscript


542:Why doesn't it just, put it in upper case then?


543:You can but it's, oops, you can, but


544:Oh that's how it looks


545:That's how it'll be


546:that's more difficult to read then isn't it?


547:Yeah


548:Mind you, you've got all your enters in there haven't you?


549:Yeah, er you can turn them off


550:Yeah <pause> and you've got all these what, what are those Ts at the side?


551:That means you've got


552:On the screen


553:a tab stop


554:You got what?


555:A tab stop


556:A tab stop, what does that do?


557:in the, if I go down to


<unclear >


558:what does it do a tab stop?


559:You see, you see that there


560: Ener yeah, energy yeah


561:the big space after energy


562:Right, yes


563:it, it gets everything in line, see how they're all in line?


564:Yeah


565:Just hit that there and put a couple of spaces


566:ad that's what the tab stop does?


567:Yeah see them all the tab regardless of the, the length, like the one after iron will be a long one


568:Mm, mm


569:and after calcium will be a short


570:What about vitamin C?
571:There isn't one


572:There isn't one, I'll just put a space in


573:and the one after fat, yes, yeah


574:That's a long one


575:yeah


576:and it indicates you put one in cos sometimes it's confusing if you've put in a tab and you don't know what's


577:What happens if you want to edit it and you've got tabs in, does it make it more difficult?
578:Does it throw, throw things out of line?


579:Yeah, yeah it can do if you forget, so it's handy if you have a T besides it's handy that


580:Just to remember, remind you?


581:Ah


582:Does it print it?


583:No, all these characters are not printed


584:So can, can


585:I think


586:sorry can you have your tab stops on?
587:You know like you can have your enters in


588:Yeah


589:but not showing your tabs, not showing those Ts, but there, can you put them on and off?
590:On the screen


591:Er, yeah, how'd you do it?
592:Can't remember, erm that it?


593:That's it, it's gone, yeah.
594:Has it moved everything in?
595:It looks different <pause> oh press them again, put them in <pause>


596:Oh I thought I had


597:Oh I, what have you done?
598:There


599:What have I done?


600:I don't know it looks different doesn't it?


601:I think I copied from the old lot of


<unclear >


602:have you?


603:No


604:No, it just look different when you took them off


605:Yeah it, it's

 <unclear > <pause>


606:Er alt, turns them on and off, yes it did, it does it then


607:What turns them on and off?


608:Alt F four


609:Alt F four, yeah


610:What's happened to it


611:I don't know Tony


612:they've disappeared


613:Yeah <vocal desc=laugh>


614:Control F seven


615:control F seven


616:load quick <pause> er

 <unclear > <pause>


617:Well you've saved it haven't you?


618:Oh shit, I've just lost the doc


619:What you lost?


620:impossible


621:What have you lost Ton?


622:Oh God, control F seven, transfer load set


<unclear >


623:take your time, take your time, don't panic


624:I've just lo


625:you haven't lost it


626:Yes I have


627:What have you lost?


628:I don't understand that alt F four meant to change, it's not meant to do that to it


629:You've lost your headings, or the, or the work itself?


630:No, I've lost the, the whole work itself


631:How?
632:Had you saved it?


633:Yeah and it's lost it again for me, oh shit


634:Well it can't of


635:Yes it can, it's gone, loads of work, ah shit,


<unclear >


636:well how can it lose it, if it's saved it?


637:get out of it quick, erm, quit


638:Can't you get it back?


639:I'll try <pause>


640:Take your time, take your time, don't get annoyed with it


641:It does do backups


642:it, it's done a backup, yeah?


643:Erm, yeah


644:Well don't lose this then <pause>


645:Oh the document, the document's longer with the two, let's try it.


646:Try it and see what happens <pause> there we are, well done


647:Control


648:go <pause> is it there?


649:No, I know I'll get it back


650:It's not there?


651:I'll get it back, wait, erm how do transfer, merge <pause>


652:What about your options no? <pause>


653:Erm


<unclear >


654:that, transfer, merge


<unclear >


655:erm, maths

 <unclear > <pause>


656:Is it there? <pause>


657:No <pause> it's got no other


<unclear >


658:then what?


659:Arthur


660:Calm down


<unclear >


661:Arthur


662:if you've saved it Ton it's got, it's got to be in there hasn't it?


663:No it isn't


664:Just a minute


665:I'm just ringing Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> up


666:Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> who's he?


667:Shall I


668:Erm


<unclear >


669:oh yes, well he said he'd phone us Paula


670:I know but he, we've got it here early March and we said that we'd do his paperwork for the the afternoon


671:Have you got it back?


672:It was there all the time


673:paperwork for the what's it called?


674:It was there all the time?


675:Yeah


676:<vocal desc=laugh> You poor thing <vocal desc=laugh>


677:gets rid of


678:What's it got rid of?


679:erm


680:See you panicked then didn't you, ah?


681:that's stupid, yes


682:Yeah but you panicked didn't you?


683:you know how it gets rid of the Ts, it gets rid of everything it's showing there <vocal desc=laugh>


684:Oh


685:it's a bit daft


686:what down, all down that side?


687:Yeah


688:So if you put the Ts back, if you put the tab sign back on it brings all those vitamin Cs, fibres and fats up as well


689:Yeah, yeah


690:really?


691:Yeah, no, no, I just pressed the wrong button


692:That's a weakness that isn't it?


693:I thought it was


<unclear >


694:that's good, I like that


695:to get that back, that's outlining, you know I merged something on the end that I don't want to, it's deleting


696:Not bad


697:and you can insert it again


698:subconsciously been misspelt go back to that, you're showing


699:What?


700:some cracking spellings in here


701:That's, that's fall back again


702:where's, where's that subconsciously?
703:There


704:Oh


<unclear >


705:I'm gonna get to do it right


706:That's subconsciously <vocal desc=laugh> Tony


707:Wait, wait a sec


<unclear >


708:go home page up <pause>


709:Do you want me to go through this for spellings?
710:Balanced God lad


711:No, cos I'm not really balanced, there look relief of


<unclear >


712:does this have a spell check on it?


713:add to


714:God, there's some great spellings in here

 <unclear >


715:Pardon?


<unclear >


716:is wrong


717:Shh


718:Have you picked up that plant?


719:Yes


720:Yes


721:I have actually


<unclear >


722:you wanna grow up a bit you know, how old are you?


723:Er, that and


<unclear >


724:well


<unclear >


725:what was?


726:Zombies


727:Zombies


728:it's Gary <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


<unclear >


729:How do you spell conscious?


730:Conscious?
731: C O N C I O U S


732:Try it


733:Is that right up on the screen there, conscious?


734:No


735:Ah


736:Conscious


737:that's what you've just spelt


738: C O N C I O U S


739:Yeah, can't find it, it won't be found either Tony


740: Con


741:That's right, the C O N part's right, conscious objector


742:I don't know


743:that's right, you're closer


744:Conscious


745:er science


746:conscious, okay go on then


747:Wait take that out


<unclear >


748:go on, try it, try it see what happens


749:Mm, I'm gonna look at that and see what it gives me


750:That's conscience yeah, but where's conscious? <pause>


751:Conscious


752:See the first what, two, fi first five letters <pause>


753:What?


754:of conscience, you want conscious, well you can go up to the I and then it's conscious, you've got conscience, conscious


755:Oh damn


756:Mr T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> manager, what's the name of your company?


<unclear >


757:freebie, another freebie


758:No, I've just rung up Viking to get some box sealing tape and, and this here, he, he said is your name T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> manager, what is the name of your business?
759:What is the name of


760:It's T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


761:That's what Douglas said was that it's T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


762:So what's the name of the business?


763:T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


764:I said it isn't, no


765:It's T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">

 <vocal desc=laugh>


766:T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> Trading


767:T <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> Trading and what is the nature of your, I said we're a charity, how many people are involved?
768:How many paid?
769:Oh


770:Oh it's gone into that computer now


771:Yeah the thing is it's, it's, it was, I got the stuff, paid for it by Access it'll be with you tomorrow, I got a free


772:You're wheezing again


773:Messiah


774:I got a free, a free one and I bought an extra one


775:Necessary


<unclear >


776:you wanna see the spellings in here, you want to leave them in Ton


777:Oh Ton


778:it'll give somebody a good laugh <pause>


779:I thought this was


780:N E S S


781:necessary, necessary


782:N E S S


783:like knife, yeah and scissors


784:I'm not surprised nec nec necessary's not found, is that your spell check?


785:Necessary, necessary


786:Necessary, oh


787: N E C it's not double C

 <vocal desc=laugh>


788:it's not double, your mother's worse than you neces


789:No Tony


790: E S


791:Necessary, aha


792:You, it's coming now, isn't it?


793:S


794:Yes


795:No


796:that's alright, it'll find that


797:It'll find that


798:It's close, there you are

 <vocal desc=laugh>


799:Knackers

 <vocal desc=laugh>


800:Oh God have you seen it, you, you want to see balance as well


801:Essential


802:Go on then, spell balance


803:Oh it's at Tony's


<unclear >


804:fibre


805:Fibre is repeated


806:Roughage, oh God <vocal desc=laugh>


807:What's that?
808:Roughage

 <unclear >


809:no

 <unclear >


810:no leave him, leave him, leave him


811:Oh damn I've got


<unclear >


812:easier


<unclear >


813:you've got a letter too many there, can you see it?


814:Yeah


815:Balance, what, the E's wrong in the middle


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


816:What's that?


817:Break time


818:Break time, that's okay, break time


819:Erm add document


820:Should add it to dictionary


821:Questionnaires, there you are, you've got it there <pause> possibilities, that's okay


822:No it's not, that is


823:It is


824:Consuming


825:Consuming, what have you got in there?
826:Double M?


827:Yeah


828:Else, else's

 <vocal desc=laugh>


829:Random


830:God ain't that clever?


831:Randomly, it's not clever at all


832:Yes it is


833:It's like that


834:Yes, it's just looking for certain letter groups


835:And


836:Yeah it's quicker

 <unclear >


837:and if you start with three or four letters in


838:Paul just hang those up in his wardrobe please, hang them up I've ironed them


839:Have you got balance now?
840: Healthy sensible eating has reached, has reached finic

 <vocal desc=laugh>


841:Have you read through it?


842:No


843:You should read through it every so often


844:Yes spell check


845:I will do


846:in this, as more and more people become concerned with their health and the effect of what they eat has on it I'd think about your English in that and how you put it together, that there sentence


847:Yeah, I know, I've got, I've got to read through all this


848:And that's your introduction the first sentence that somebody's going to read, yeah?


849:I know, I've got to, I've got to read through all of this


850:Okay, health conscience, not, it isn't health conscience people, it's health conscious people


851:Yeah I know


852:You're conscious of your health not conscience of your health <pause> health conscious


853:Where?


854:Fourth line down, first word


855:Oh yes <pause>


<unclear >


856:that's it, try do it, blow your nose rather than sniffle please, balanced diet in order to provide their bodies with enough.
857:But not too much ingredients, essential for some of the most necessary substances for a healthy life include <pause> have you got whisky in here as well?


858:Right that's about it, save that


859:Healthy substances for a healthy life, you're very good on the, is it, is it the protein he's good on?


860:Vitamin C


861:Got too much vitamin C

 <vocal desc=laugh>


862:Too much vitamin C


863:I don't know where it comes from


864:I wonder if it makes your brain go doolally though


865:No, it means you're clever


866:<vocal desc=laugh> Supposed to innit, yeah, they did a study on that didn't they?
867:They fed these children with these tablets that would make them go <pause> and the parents were rushing out and buying tablets to make the children intel the children intelligent.


<unclear >


868:Just imagine that for, taking half a dozen before you going into Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> 's geography lesson.


869:I'm going to read through this properly


870:I'm glad you are <vocal desc=laugh>


871:<vocal desc=laugh> out loud, I'll write it first and then I'll check it


872:Not with an audience <vocal desc=laugh> right, go on <pause>


873:What it can't do erm, can't check up grammar mistakes


874:True


875:A machine to get that does that, is a good program as it is, it's three hundred quid normally but it's a copy Dudley gave it to me


876:Watch your toes


877:it's pirated


878:It's pirated is it, oh God


879:Well he, are you gonna fork out three hundred quid?


880:Paul you gonna shock me?


881:What's that?


882:He started his homework you see


883:Yeah I have


884:Yeah, tomorrow


885:Tomorrow's too late


886:No it's


887:Manana


888:tomorrow never comes <pause>

 <unclear > <pause>


889:Those curtains in there Paula the side, you know that track I repaired the other night


890:Drop again


891:it's gonna come down again, the we cos you're stacking stuff against it


892:I've just moved it all away


893:But did you notice?


894:Yeah it is, what it's done


895:It's fallen against it, it's gonna rip it down again


896:push the bed, the bed had been pushed up and the stuff had tumbled and I just moved it all away


897:Yeah, draw the curtains back


898:A window could be opened in there er Paula


899:It's like an oven in there <pause>


900:I see this piece in the, about Southwold beach huts


901:What about them?


902:Well you know the Council, Waveney Council


903:Yeah


904:you see they want people not to se not to sell them privately


905:Why not?


906:Because they say, they've got a waiting list on er on the Council


907:Yeah


908:and they've got to sell them on the waiting list


909:Really?


910:and Southwold are up in arms with it


911:Who's beach huts are they?
912:The people whose they are?


913:The people


914:Or do they rent them off the Council or what?


915:No what happens is you buy the beach hut but you rent them on, you rent the plot


916:So the Council are saying although it's yours, the hut's yours, the land is ours


917:The land is ours


918:we want a say in whoever has these


919:have these beach huts


920:not, not the price that they go at


921:and you can't sell the hut, no and you can't sell them privately, anybody you want to


922:So who's handling the sale then the Council or est cos I've seen these things


923:The Council


924:in estate agents


925:Yeah


926:have you?


927:Yeah, but you see they sell them privately to, erm they'll, like you'd sell your house


928:Yeah


929:privately


930:Yes


931:The Council wants to make out that you've got to let them have the first option


932:Of buying it from you


933:of buying it from you


934:and then they sell it on?


935:Yeah, they've got to wait


936:They've got to make some money out of that haven't they?
937:Otherwise it's costing you lot over at Southwold a lot of money


938:and people in Southwold are objecting because they say


939:I don't blame them


940:I don't blame them, that it is right that people should, should have the right to buy from the Council, but I don't think you should


941:Yeah there's that side to it


942:I mean it's


943:You see some of them only live in a small cottage with no garden and that's an extension to their home, you can go down there with the children


944:Yeah.


945:and enjoy <pause> they've bought the hut to enjoy


946:Mm.


947:the privilege of, of them like you would have a shed in your garden


948:Yeah


949:a shed, a


950:except in your own garden


951:Yes


952:it's your property, it's your land it's


953:that's correct


954:Whereas down at the erm


955:The land belongs to the


956:down at the erm seaside it belongs to the Council


957:it belongs to the Council


958:Yeah, what a pity


959:yeah <pause>


960:What's it saying in the paper then about it?
961:Has, it just a report or is it a comment?


962:Oh they've had a meeting you see because people in Southwold have checked


963:Yeah.


964:you see, the fact they say they should be allowed to sell


965:Yeah.


966:and to who they want to <pause> if they want to


967:I thought, I though Southwold Council was a Conservative Council


968:No we belong to Waveney that's


969:Ah is it Waveney Council that's decided it?


970:It's Waveney you see we belong to Waveney <pause>


971:District


972:District


973:Ha, yet the Southwold Parish Council, I've seen it in there, er there's been a <pause> some vandalism on the golf course, you know on the common and er


974:I didn't know about that


975:Yeah it's in there somewhere, and they're complaining, you know the people who play golf, the golf club are complaining, and the, the Council are saying it's the Southwold Council, so maybe it's the Parish Council, they're saying that er yes it's our responsibility this club and we must look after it and we must find the culprits and so on, it's in there somewhere cos I read it this morning


976:Yeah I thought I


977:cos it happened over the weekend digging up holes in the erm in the golf course.


978:What this last weekend?


979:Yes it's er, I'm sure it's in there somewhere <pause> yeah <pause> I wonder what will happen then <pause> with the beach huts <pause> it could be <pause> it could be that you've got to get the, you can still sell them private but, and the Council will, will just say yes or no


980:No, it just said them you will offer it to them, no you've to offer it to them first because they've got a waiting list of people wanting


981:Right


982:to buy, to be, it's, you see it's the


<unclear >


983:or something


984:You see, with all their beach huts all the way along the coast, is that, or is it Southwold that they're doing it with?


985:No, they must own Southwold, Kessingland, Pakefield and straight into Lowestoft, all that


986:That strip


<unclear >


987:yeah


988:They own the fo what they call the


<unclear >


989:but why, you see er the end of Southwold when East Bramont went into the sea you know


990:Yes when the cliffs, when the cliffs collapsed, yeah <pause>


991:they wouldn't shore that up because there are only about eight houses up there, so it doesn't pay them to <unclear >


992:Although they own that bit


993: Al although they own that bit


994:or are responsible for it


995:or are responsible


996:Yeah


997:But there again I don't know how much of the er, whose fault that was, whether they should of done, I mean it's, it's the same as Oldbury and Dunwich isn't it, how that just went into the sea, they let it happen


998:Mm.


999:they won't, they won't, th they don't intend to let it happen at all there


1000:Mm


1001:I knew some


1002:but there's, there's a


1003:Yeah


1004:a village isn't there really, a small town a village


1005:you see and now at the harbour they've done that <pause> harbour mouth so that Walberswick will not be affected


1006:Mm, mm


1007:oh well then


1008:Yeah, but again there is, there are more houses at Walberswick than there were at East Bra is it Bravance or Badance?


1009:Oh yes, East Bramont.


1010:Eastern Bramont yeah


1011:Well the reason they wouldn't do it there, the cost is so great in comparison with the number of houses


1012:Mm, yeah, yeah they're on about erm, below erm, not Thorpeness, where's the one with the, Orford isn't it, Orford castle


1013:Oh yes


1014:there's the farmland below the castle you know going towards erm Felixstowe that way, they say the land down there, the farm, that low-lying farmland is very susceptible to flooding and the coast is being eroded


1015:That's correct


1016:oh they are, is it our Poll Tax?


1017:Yes


1018:What have you got?
1019:Go on then


1020:Oh you're not too bad


1021:What've you got?


<unclear >


1022:yeah


1023:Erm, get meant, get the right one ain't it?
1024:Er two four seven forty three


1025:Two hundred and forty seven a head?


1026:No, two four seven forty three, yes


1027:Per head, yeah


1028:that's not bad


1029:that's cheaper than our rates


1030:They're cheaper than the rates, yes.


1031:I feel sorry for these old folk who are over here though, on the other side of the road, two forty seven for them


1032:Well that's what


1033:That's what's wrong with it though, isn't it?


1034:That's what we


1035:Mind you there again it's cheaper than it should be because we're paying it on VAT, you know, it, er, they must think we're fools


1036:Two four seven forty seven, you're quite low actually because some


1037:Well there's a general election coming up, it's a Tory Council, they're not gonna raise it as, as high as they possibly can are they? <pause>


1038:I think that fee is excellent, if they'd of kept it at that, I think most people could afford it.


1039:But you're paying for it in your tax, you you'd paid a whopping subsidy on it, it's a big con.


1040:Yeah but the first year was, was an awful amount really


1041:Well that was, well it should've gone up from that, what did they do with the VAT stuck two and a half percent on it and said there you are we're gonna hold the Poll Tax down, how?
1042:By making you pay more on your VAT, so we can knock the Poll Tax bills down, you're still paying for the damn stuff, ah, ha


1043:What's happened to your paper


1044:why don't this country wake up?


<unclear >


1045:about er


1046:I don't know what's happened today I think it's, they've run out of


1047:They've run out of ink or something


1048:out of ink, yeah


1049:Ron <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> has sent us a copy then


1050:Yeah it must of been a few they'd got through


1051:Mm <pause>


1052:It's the biggest con that Poll Tax thing go er the amount going down <pause> that this lot have pulled on us and everybody's fell for it hook, line and sinker

 <unclear >


1053:ha


1054:the first year was horrible but last year was


1055:Look, if, if somebody charges you three hundred pound, and you say that's too much and you complain and they knock it down to two fifty, but they say but we want you to pay fifty pounds on something else, extra, do you think the two fifty's fair, eh?


1056:Not really, but <vocal desc=laugh>


1057:No, well that's all they've done <pause>


1058:all this paper is


<unclear >


1059:there's about six erm, six sheets in it ain't there?
1060:There er, more like ghost printing <pause>


1061:<vocal desc=laugh> Ha, that's funny, bad news for people paying fifty pound per week rent, you could buy your own home for forty nine pounds per week <vocal desc=laugh>


1062:Sounds like Marks and Spencers there

 <unclear >


1063:forty nine pounds, ninety nine


1064:Woolworths nineteen and eleven <vocal desc=laugh>


1065:<vocal desc=laugh> Yeah, we won't charge you a pound for this we'll charge you nineteen and eleven <vocal desc=laugh>


1066:Oh do


1067:it's under ten pound, yeah nine pounds ninety nine <vocal desc=laugh>


1068:The funniest, the funniest thing about that was, a friend of ours he always remembered when Woolworths opened in Oldham


1069:Yeah


1070:and they had a, er, for the opening news you see everything in Woolworths was sold for sixpence


1071:But was it Woolworths or Marks who had that little slogan, was it, nothing, not a was it not a penny, nothing more than a penny or not a thruppence


1072:Anyway, they, they put on their window er


1073:Yeah go on


1074:for er opening day


<unclear >


1075:everything's a sixpence and a, they have this great big display of buckets in one of the windows, sixpence


1076:Sixpence a bucket


1077:there was a little hardware shop just round the corner


1078:Mm


1079:and his were fivepence ha'penny

 <vocal desc=laugh>


1080:and there was this long queue outside


1081:Woolworths for sixpence <vocal desc=laugh>


1082:Woolworths to buy buckets for sixpence


1083:and could've gone round the corner for


1084:Bought them for fivepence ha'penny


1085:See there's, there's the con again you see, it's the same thing, you can convince people they're do they're doing brilliantly and charge them more <vocal desc=laugh>


1086:But we said we, we couldn't give over laughing about that and they thought it was hilarious because it, it's like C & A's they used to always say, nineteen and eleven or nine and eleven or, it was always the


1087:Well Marks and Spencers look at


1088:Yeah


1089:Do you ever see a price in Marks and Spencers that doesn't have ninety nine P on the end of it?


1090:Yeah that's right


1091:It must cost them more in time in getting that penny out you know


1092:One penny out of the till


1093:till yeah, crazy, well look at the erm, the price of sugar the other day you were talking about that, what was it, fifty odd P?


1094:Fifty nine P


1095:And in the supermarket it's what about?


1096:Erm sixty eight


1097:Sixty eight, yeah, and that's a corner shop


1098:That's a corner shop


1099:you go to the big supermarkets


1100:Yes


1101:and you think it's gonna be cheaper, it's gotta be cheaper because it's wherever


1102:There's a reason the little corner shops do that you see, that corner shop especially he always has a blackboard outside


1103:Yeah


1104:and it, it, it's always erm <pause> some offer off like cauliflowers


1105:Yeah


1106:and in the summer when they were thirty nine P it's to get people to go in the shop really


1107:Well the supermarkets do the same thing don't they?


1108:Oh yeah


1109:Loss, loss leaders or if they're not loss leaders they're very low aren't they?
1110:But when you think if you go to your corner shop and you, you don't want a lot it's cheaper to go there than to get in a car


1111:Oh yes I'd rather go to the corner shop


1112:spend your money on petrol, pollute the place


1113:Well when, that's what I said to, er Paula people should always go to that village shop because in the long run I know it might cost you more, but the hassle and everything, the only thing is they haven't got the variety


1114:That's the, that's their weakness isn't it?
1115:Yeah, mm


1116:but that's their weakness because they can't take, they can't take the stock


1117:Yeah


1118:but surely when that corner shop closes the elderly people round here would be in a state


1119:They've got the erm, that mobile shop that comes round here


1120:Oh have they?
1121:I didn't know about that


1122:Haven't you seen it?
1123:The blue one, from Debenham, and you can phone your order through


1124:On er get <unclear >


1125:ready boxed up for you


1126:Oh that's good


1127:so you can do that with him, so if you're not too well you know like


1128:Yeah


1129:say if it was yourself and father who both weren't well, he would, if you just pick up the phone and say, I'm running short can I have a b b and he, he brings it round, like you know, j j


1130:Same with


1131:I can remember my mum when, when I was little, she used to have a book, a shopping book and she used to write in it


<unclear >


1132:what she wanted from the shops, it was like erm a thick notebook did you


1133:Yeah


1134:ever have anything?
1135:Did, is that right?
1136:And prices at the side


1137:And er it


1138:and she knew


1139:it was all printed tea, coffee, cocoa


1140:Oh no she wouldn't of, no didn't have that, no


1141:they had tea, coffee, you know the essentials


1142:Yeah


1143:so that, I mean a person that was a little bit muddled always remembered


1144:Aye.


1145:but you see people with shopping lists so the


1146:She used to hand it in at the counter, this


1147:Yeah


1148:book, she wrote a list out what she wanted, she used to hand it, I remember, I'd forgotten all about this, let's just say we were at the Co-Op, she'd hand it in at the counter so the, the groceries counter all, and she'd written it all out, and when it came back it was, was five minutes, it was all together for you, there it was, it was built up on the counter, and each time the amount was written at the side so


1149:Yes


1150:that sort of predates this er till slip, this till roll you get


1151:Yeah, but


1152:don't it?
1153:But she, she knew


1154:in normal


1155:what she was getting at, she knew exactly what she was shopping for, she went into that shop, there was the list, it was handed in, I bet it took her less time to shop then, than it did later when she went shopping with a vague idea well I mustn't forget this, I mustn't forget that, but then the wandering around sort of oh that looks nice and I fancy that


1156:Yeah but in, in your mother's days mine <pause> my day as well


1157:Yeah


1158:when you went shopping you could shop everywhere and a quarter of tea it was that price every shop, there was no competitiveness about it


1159:Mm


1160:a pound of butter was that


1161:Mm, mm


1162:two pounds of sugar were that everywhere


1163:But people still shopped at different shops?


1164:Yes, you did, you, you mainly, I mean in the, in the


1165:Well, well why, well why would you choose


1166:Well because


1167:to shop at that particular shop rather than


1168:because


1169:that one?


1170:the Co-Op used to give the dividend


1171:But not everybody shopped at the Co-Op did they?


1172:Most people, there was quite a lot of people did


1173:Yeah most people did, yeah, but not everybody


1174:I mean I did, it was, it was great at


1175:My mum used to say such thing as like you know bacon's better from


1176:From


1177:from such a place rather than such a place


1178:Well you


1179:so it was, she knew you know


1180:you always went to a proper butcher then, you didn't go to the supermarket because you had a good butcher that you used to go to


1181:You knew him and he knew you


1182:and you knew what he, and he would sell you what he, there was no cons, no trying to pretend that this was best, and this was


1183:Mm, yeah


1184:so therefore a butcher was a butcher he was a tradesman in his own right


1185:But he was also a family butcher and he served the family didn't he?


1186:Yeah


1187:Yeah, er we used to go to certain ones that's right


1188:Yeah, and another thing is I


1189:It's amazing how much you forget isn't it this, the supermarkets know, you just go, you pick it up, you stick it in your trolley and move on you pick it up, you stick it


1190:But you don't


1191:there's, there's no se there's no erm


1192:There's no service


1193:there's no service is there?
1194:None at all


1195:I mean what used to make me, what made me laugh too, is the same with linens and things


1196:Mm


1197:go in the shop and the girls do not know the stock


1198:Yeah <pause>


1199:Yesterday when I went in the shop, we get underwear and things like that


1200:Mm


1201:the girl on that department had gone for her lunch


1202:Mm


1203:now the girl that was left for er, a, an hour


1204:Mm


1205:admitted that she didn't know and it's about that department what's


<unclear >


1206:What shop was that?


1207:That was Debenhams


1208:Debenhams, well you see, are they really trained for, for those


1209:so therefore


1210:little departments within the store those people or just put on


1211:No, no but you might go in at that time wanting help


1212:Yeah


1213:and there's nobody there that can give


1214:that's right


1215:help


1216:but that's not just because somebody was away for their dinner, it's, if that person was back from their dinner


1217:Yeah


1218:they most likely wouldn't be able to give you the help as well, they're just placed on


1219:I can always remember years ago going into, going


1220:these particular department little sh


1221:into Lewis's in Manchester


1222:Yeah


1223:which <pause> was one of the good stores and I wanted a bolster case


1224:Mm


1225:and there was a girl on and she said what is a bolster case and when I tried to explain to her she looked at me as if I lived in the ark and that was going back twenty years ago.


1226:Mm


1227:You don't


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


1228:But do you ever see bolsters sold now? <pause>


1229:Possibly not, but they still, in the stall market


1230: Peo


1231:they can, you can still buy bolster cases


1232:Where at?


1233:That shop, I don't know what the name of that shop is, but I've seen them in the window lately


<unclear >


1234:its possible, yeah


1235:Yeah <pause> so if they're still selling bolster cases I wonder if they're still selling bolsters somewhere?


1236:Well they most probably do, yeah, we only sell, sell these, stupid pillows like this, curved pillow cases for these


1237:Mm


1238:somebody must do them <vocal desc=laugh>


1239:Yeah, true, true, true


1240:You don't, you don't get a service from the shop now


1241:No


1242:you, you, you just, it's make your mind up, your own mind and you're left to your own devices.


1243:When I was er, you know this Saturday morning work and weekend you know this weekend, but not Saturday morning this weekend work and holiday work at a tailors in Runcorn, the manager of that shop, gentleman's outfitters right, the manager of that shop, there's two other men worked in there full time and myself at holidays and weekends or if they were on holiday you'd have to work, you know, the erm to cover one of those and he, the manager was brought up, he's, brought up, his training was in Liverpool, in tailors where they, a man would produce a suit for somebody


1244:Yeah


1245:you know you'd produced the shirt but produce er, and there would be lots and lots and lots of these people, these very skilled men


1246:Oh yeah men <unclear >


1247:all working in their own little houses sort of <pause> they looked liked houses but in fact they were little workshops


1248:Yeah a lot of the Jewish folk <unclear >


1249:I remember once, yeah it was like that, yeah that's right, not one, but a few times I used to get on the train from Runcorn to Liverpool, I had an address to go to in Liverpool, rough directions how to get there, to pick up a suit or to pick up a fitting, you know you'd get the, the different


1250:Oh yeah


1251:stages of fitting


1252:Oh you do it's, it's the


1253:oh yeah, all that, you know all the <vocal desc=laugh>


1254:And you had to keep going, striving on


1255:That's right, that's right


1256:Yeah


1257:well the slight adjustment so to get it, get it right, that's what you're paid for <pause> and he's, that's where he was, that's where he was brought up in the trade, and he could take a piece of cloth in his hands, he had rolls of cloth, and he said that was made such a way, the quality of this cloth is because and that


1258:Yeah


1259:socks the same


<unclear >


1260:exactly the same with socks, the blend of wool or nylon, er, just pure wool or nylon or whatever whether it's cotton in it, all these things type of shirts and that, the strengths of the cloths feeling it, telling you that'll wash well that'll last


1261:That'll last


1262:that is worth that money


1263:Oh yeah


1264:and that's a bargain, and se you know these reps would come round selling this that and the other and if, you could only see samples after, wouldn't touch it with a barge pole like you know, yeah I'll have that, that's all but that's because he had a good grounding


1265:Oh yeah


1266:now he passed that on, that had, sort of knowledge on through the people in the shop okay, if you, soon as that link gets broken and you go into a shop something like erm Burtons okay, big retail shop like Burtons, you go in there you'll have a manager in there and assistants and so on, but their background knowledge has nothing to do with tailoring, nothing at all


1267:Aye, er, it is


1268:so you can go to them and ask them for advice and they can't give it, because there's not that link back to where you know


1269:Not now there isn't


1270:Yeah


1271:but, I, when I was in Stockport I went to work at that tailor's shop


1272:Yeah


1273:and, and


1274:oh yes, yeah, I remember that, yeah


1275:and


1276:I'd forgotten about that


1277:I mean, and I'd worked in one in Oldham and the difference between the one <pause> that was a fifty shilling tailors in Oldham and


1278:Fifty shilling tailors


1279:Fifty shillings and you could


1280:nothing more than fifty shillings


1281:Twenty five shillings for er a cheaper suit


1282:Yeah


1283:and fifty shillings for


1284:A good quality one


1285:good quality


1286:and it would be as well.


1287:And those suits were made to measure


1288:A week's wage


1289:and you had fittings


1290:Yeah it's a week's wage now


1291:Yeah


1292:right and you had


<unclear >


1293:and you had fittings <pause>


1294:Mm


1295:and you had, and the man there looked at his stock and he wouldn't, he wouldn't sell you rub well they didn't get rubbish in, because


1296:But now you see you've got these big


1297:you


<unclear >


1298:but they're all


1299:these big retail shops


1300:off the peg now


1301:these, you know these national thing, all that they're interested in from that manager of that shop is <pause> how much did you sell that week


1302:Oh yeah and


<unclear >


1303:just pure inset, and just headquarters, that's all they're interested in, not whether he knows his job or not, not whether he could give advice because he has no control over whatever comes into that shop, he doesn't decide we're not having these T-shirts in or, or we're not having these suits in because really they're a load of rubbish, headquarters decides it, all he does is put a nice little display out, usually, and it's shown how to do it by headquarters and so on, these people come round and show them what to do and so on, do all that, in fact he's as much expertise in there as I have or you have, anybody could literally with a bit of training in the company way of doing things


1304:Mm


1305:take on that job, you don't have to be erm somebody who has knowledge about cloth, about way, the way things are made, the sewing, alright, how close it's sewn to the edge


1306:Well there's very few people


1307:yeah, things like that


1308:that have a made to measure outfit, how often that people have


1309:Oh I don't know


1310:it's all off the peg now


1311:not all, there's still a fair amount


1312:I don't think there is


1313:Oh yeah


1314:I mean all


1315:still there, there isn't, there isn't as much as there used to be, but some are fair amount


1316:Yeah, but all they were interested in that shop in


<unclear >


1317:was the commission they got


1318:That's it


1319:so they, I mean they flogged the cheaper lines and they could have through the door like


<unclear >


1320:it, it didn't matter did it?


1321:No


1322:No, that's what I'm saying

 <unclear >


1323:and


1324:I mean they wanted the commission


1325:if you'd of gone to them for advice and say which is the better buy, which will was wash better and why, you know, I want I want


1326:Oh yeah


1327:this particular thing, they'd be, they'd be flummoxed


1328:Well they'd sell you the most expensive because they'd got the most commission <vocal desc=laugh>


1329:Yeah and convince you, if you pay more for it, it must be better, and it, that isn't always true either, usually is but not always


1330:What used to annoy me about that shop was that, that the fact that you know people used to <pause> buy the things on the never- never


1331:Mm <pause>


1332:and er <pause> they used to come to me and say how much does this man owe now and if he'd been paying quite a bit next time he came in the shop they was all round him trying to persuade him to buy


1333:Yeah


1334:a mac


1335:Yeah


1336:trying to persuade him to buy <pause>


1337:So they were waiting


1338:cos look your account is


1339:Getting low


1340:getting very low, you're a good payer and er I'm sure you need a pair of trousers you need this you need that


1341:<vocal desc=laugh> Yeah


1342:and some of them a bit it's all sales talk


1343:he walked out the door, he's forgotten


1344:Yeah


1345:Yeah


1346:all they wanted was to get their commission.


1347:Yeah, do you think it still happens?


1348:Oh yes


1349:It happened with us, when we borrowed money to pay for this car, finished it off now, the bank, oh the letters they send you, about three months before you're about to finish paying, I am an esteemed and valued customer you know and all that crap


1350:Blah, blah, blah


1351:oh God did he


1352:I tell you what


1353:They don't esteem you, you're not valued


1354:I tell you what annoys me


1355:you're, you're just a number on a damn computer but they crack on


1356:Yeah


1357:as if you were something, somebody very special and again it's a big con and it, they must think people fall for this


1358:That's why I think people got in debt because they'd been having things that they couldn't afford, I mean er, at one time you was never encouraged to ha er have things, now I mean the minute they see you're getting low on your, oh have something else, have something else


1359:Yeah, yeah, yeah


1360:and then they forget they have to pay for it


1361:I give you a good example of that, erm, well not how easy it is, not on that, but how easy it is to get money without having the money, okay, Tony wants that, the computer


1362:Yeah


1363:and we wanted to get it through Access, and the credit limit on Access was <pause> what was it a thousand?
1364:Something like that, trying to remember now what it was, sixteen hundred, sixteen hundred that was it and it says your credit limit is sixteen, sixteen, you could spend up to sixteen hundred pounds, whether you got it or not you can spend it, so we said if we're gonna get this computer because you get these Air Miles out of it, you know, every ten pounds you get an Air Mile, well if he's getting a computer over a thousand pounds you know with all the paraphernalia that goes with it, well that's a lot of Air Miles there, well we said we'll get it through Access, but there isn't, our credit limit on Access isn't enough to pay for the computer, sixteen hundred it's more than sixteen hundred, in, in the long, once he's got his printer and God knows what you know, so I phoned them up and he said erm is it possible to adjust the limit upwards?
1365:Oh yes <pause> we said well what's the limit?
1366:Well they said what do you want it to be <vocal desc=laugh> oh God, I can't, there you are it's as, it's as easy as that, it's as easy as that


1367:And then they want you, I tell you what there's another thing on television that makes me really laugh is that advert about electricity and it says


1368:About electricity?


1369:Electricity yes


1370:Yeah


1371:and it's, keep your house warm and it's this, you know er she comes in, in the middle of the night, she gets up in the middle of the night and the house is lovely and warm, she gets up first thing in the morning and the house is lovely and warm


1372:Yeah


1373:with erm storage heaters, yeah


1374:storage heaters, yeah, yeah


1375:right


1376:Yeah


1377:she goes on about all this but they don't say how much it's gonna cost, never mind the storage heaters <vocal desc=laugh>


1378:That's got nothing to do with it


1379:that's got nothing to do with it, but you can be lovely and warm


1380:and warm


1381:twenty four hours of the day, until you get your bill and then you're lovely and warm <vocal desc=laugh>


1382:and warm <vocal desc=laugh>


1383:Where's that table dad?


1384:I don't know Paul.
1385:You can burn it <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


1386:Where's that table that Tony had for his, that erm old camping table?


1387:I don't know Paul, it's erm, ask Tony he's the one who'd of put it away, have you asked him?


1388:No


1389:But really it's a waste of time you know


1390:Close the door please


1391:when people are sitting there and thinking oh yes I'll have a storage heater, you keep lovely and warm you get your bill at the end, a few hundred pound er <vocal desc=laugh>


1392:Yeah


1393:oh it's, it's just all con isn't it?


1394:Yeah they, they're telling you one part of the story


1395:Oh


1396:and they forget to tell you that once upon a time doesn't always have a nice ending, yeah


1397:I think though er, they're encouraging people to be constantly in debt because there are some people, indeed a lot of these people have bought their home like


1398:Mm


1399:Maggie Thatcher had told them to do, they haven't realized that owning your home like you know you buy it off the Council or things like that, it ends there, they're forgetting the maintenance part of it you know


1400:Yeah, but they're also forgetting as well it isn't just the maintenance that it's a long term commitment to paying


1401:Yes


1402:back money


1403:but


1404:twenty, fifteen, whatever years, whatever years, and in that time you've got to be pretty sure that you can do that


1405:Oh yeah


1406:that your job is secure, yeah that you


1407:Well nobody's job is secure now


1408:Nobody's job is secure, but some jobs are more secure, have always been more secure than others and if you've been, as some of them have been relying on overtime


1409:Oh yes


1410:and the building societies


1411:and the second job


1412:this, will, oh the second job


1413:Oh aye and the building societies


1414:and the building societies at one time would not take overtime into account, but in the eighties oh my God, you know, how much, oh have as much as you want


1415:Yeah, that's right


1416:but they took all that, they took overtime into account, now as you can't guarantee overtime, you can't actually guarantee your basic wage


1417:Oh no you can't


1418:but of the two you can't, you can't have a ba you can't have no basic wage and only overtime


1419:Oh no


1420:yeah, one will always be there if you've got, if, if you've got a job, the other one is very iffy and yet they were lending money to people who right, right, rightly in their minds have, and as Maggie T said oh yes go on, go, yeah, independence and all that, erm they were going out, never having done it before, no tradition in, in maybe in their family of doing it before, got this goal this sort of Disney World ideal you know erm, sort of make believe world who are we gonna be and we're gonna be dreaming the dream, the dream


1421:Like the electricity isn't it?


1422:Yeah, like the electricity, but your chickens come home to roost when your overtime goes, when your job goes and you take on a commitment and they never, the last ten, fifteen, twenty, twenty five years and they've never ever, ever taken on a commitment like that before, when it's presented with just the roses around it, everything's sweetness and light and roses and the other side isn't really put, put to you, think of the worse scenario, you're out of a job, what can you do?
1423:Can you keep it going?
1424:In that case could you keep it going for a while if you're out of a job?
1425:What limit of borrowing should you be borrowing to?
1426:I know accountants say borrow to your top limit because of tax purposes, but they're talking about people who've


1427:Well people that have got it


1428:so much money you know, they've, they've got to erm


1429:That's right, yeah


1430:they've got to spend


1431:but I, I disagree with them <pause> lending money to the extent, the old way was better when it was two and a half times the salary, your salary


1432:Do you know how much it was when we got our first house, just before we were married, it wasn't two and a half times your salary, it was one and a half times our salary


1433:Yeah, but it was one salary


1434:and one salary


1435:and then people never got themselves into debt, it was only erm unless you were unemployed


1436:That was, that was the realism of life wasn't it?


1437:Yeah, is was the ideal thing


1438:That your marriage, one your marriage could break up


1439:Oh yes


1440:two, even though you're both working you can't guarantee that both will continue to work, it's taking it to a real, a realistic level


1441:But I mean I feel sorry for young mums now because there's no way if they take on these mortgages they can have a family


1442:Right, yeah


1443:now that is wrong because nobody should be committed so much to the hilt that they can't have a family


1444:Yeah


1445:and choose a life, it's all going in bricks and mortar and the not


1446:Yeah


1447:the building societies


1448:but this is, this is the way of, values of of


1449:Yes


1450:the place of the moment, at the moment isn't it?


1451:Yes


1452:That bricks, mortar, tellies, carpets and God knows what


1453:That's it, more than, yes


1454: rat matter more than people


1455:Yeah


1456:it seems to be


1457:but you see the, the sad thing of this is, if you've got a, a little family and then you can't, because the man has lost his job, you're turned out of your house even if you've paid five or six years on it


1458:Mm


1459:and then they can turn round and offer you bed and breakfast


1460:Mm


1461:at two hundred pounds a week


1462:Mm


1463:now that is wrong, why they can't help that family to extend the mortgage until


1464:It would cost them less than two hundred pounds a week


1465:It would cost them less


1466:that's right this is the meanest of it


1467:And there's no <unclear >


1468:Oh yes


1469:this is the meanest, you get into the system of the, of the legality of it, the, the er, thes these people who lend money where we want our money back


1470:Yes


1471:we want it there, we want this guarantee, it's, it's a bit s <vocal desc=sigh> it's sort of well


1472:Well you see


1473:it's a bit Shylockish, we want our pound of flesh at the end of this day, now that, the fact that the cost of that pound of flesh will cost you more than this two hundred pound a week


1474:Yeah


1475:cost you far more getting it like that than saying we'll support you


1476:Exactly, but you see the point is this


1477:it's, it really is a bit Shylockish


1478:I think it's wrong because they, they're putting these houses now on the market, the building societies


1479:Mm


1480:and they're putting them into auction and the people that have got spare money


1481:Mm, mm


1482:are snapping them up


1483:Yeah


1484:and yet


1485:Hold on, it's not people who've got spare money, it's people who


1486:Who want to invest money


1487:who've got plenty of cash, always will have as well and this is, this is the unfortunate part, this, this is the sinister part of it really, because the people who've scratted around and have suffered


1488:Yes


1489:borrowed up to the hilt, they, they, their er, I, what should I say, their erm <pause> unfortunate circumstances


1490:Yeah


1491:are benefitting people who don't have to, never had to scrat around <pause>


1492:It's still wrong


1493:they actually they had, the poor


<unclear >


1494:if you look at it one way are subsidising the very rich


1495:Oh yes


1496:the very, the ones who've got so much money they could and they're buying up things as a result of somebody's misery at a way lower price than it should be bought for


1497:Oh I know it's horrible


1498:and they're doing it again and again and again, it suits them, it suits the ones that are really rich to have ordinary people struggling like that and it suits them not to have that two hundred pounds a week going in to help those people and they're the people who it suits who will decide whether that two hundred pounds a week goes to help on the mortgage or put them into what is it, a bed and, a bed and breakfast?


1499:Mm, don't know what they call them


1500:So if it, if it look at it like that, these people are benefitting ho again and again, time and again and again out of some, out of somebody's


1501:Yeah, but you see


1502:misfortune, and yet, and yet the cost of putting them into a bed and breakfast would stop those people's houses going on the market and it would stop those people who are benefitting from it, from benefitting from it


1503:Yeah but you see, the, in this, in this


1504:They're parasites aren't they?


1505:in a vicious circle too it's working that the tax payers are having to subsidize bed and breakfast


1506:Yeah so


1507:so


1508:the rest of us


1509:they, they might as well


1510:are subsidizing the rich to buy houses that are becoming cheaper onto the market


1511:In, yeah, in a vicious circle, yeah


1512:so we're all helping the rich to become richer


1513:Yeah


1514:because these poor sods can't pay off the mortgage


1515:and er, er, er, and the poor are getting poorer and they will not let them get out of the poverty trap.


1516:It suits them


1517:Yeah


1518:not to let them get out of the pov that's what I'm saying, it suits them because they can buy up property much cheaper than if that two hundred pounds a week that's being spent on bed and breakfast, that, they were spent on helping them with the problems as they are at the moment.


1519:Yeah, they should, I mean it is a problem


1520:It's crazy, it's crazy, if only people again'd sit back and look at it and see exactly what's happening, rather than saying it serves them right, they shouldn't of done this, they shouldn't of got themselves into that position they're in that position


1521:They can't help it sometimes


1522:they're in that position, it's gonna cost us to get out, cost us to get them out of it and they can go out into a bed and breakfast or they can stay in the house <pause>


1523:They're better staying in the house aren't they?


1524:That's right


1525:You're better letting them


1526:but to start with they shouldn't of borrowed to the limit they were borrowing


1527:Well there's the building societies fault


1528:That's building societies, yeah


1529:if they go, if they're wanting to let people have as much money


1530:Mm


1531:and know full well that it's very difficult for them to pay


1532:Mm


1533:they should of, go back to the old system that they took the man's wage in, only into consideration


1534:Or, one of them, or one of them


1535:Or one of them, well yes


1536:or one and a quarter or one and a half or whatever


1537:Yes, it used to be two and a half times the wage and in the long run rather than mess about taking the house off them


1538:Mm


1539:if they're only young extend the mortgage


1540:Mm


1541:they'll still get their money in the end


1542:That's right


1543:and they'll get more money


1544:These people who are buying up houses now so cheaply from these, you know from these repossessions


1545:Oh it's terrible


1546:they must rub their hands together you know when these booms are going, you know, oh as much money as you want


<unclear >


1547:because they must know what's gonna happen when they, you know, when the cows come home, they must know when the chickens come home to roost they must know what's gonna happen


1548:What they're going to


1549:that there are gonna be so many thousands of people in a right mess and they're


1550:Well


1551:gonna pick up cheap pickings, they're gonna go round like the vultures, just taking it and taking it


1552:In one way they should do something about people having second homes and make it more, that they get more tax out of them or something <pause>


1553:Right


1554:unless they're going to let, unless people are going to buy them and let them at a reasonable rent to people


1555:What's reasonable?
1556:Ha


1557:Yeah, but I mean


1558:reasonable to whom?


1559:in a few years <pause> this er, they're not building houses so these houses are gonna go, rocket again


1560:When the Council houses were sold, a lot of money went into the, went into the Council


<unclear >


1561:yeah


1562:Yeah, well they're not allowed to spend it


1563:and they're not allowed to spend it, that's the craziest thing of all but housing associations can build houses, but Councils can't


1564:Yeah


1565:or they can but a tiny amount, it's this sort of <pause> dogma, this blind faith, has put commonsense right out of the window completely out the window


1566:I don't understand these


1567:it's


1568:how these housing associations though


1569:How they work?


1570:Well no, how they can afford to let the houses when the Council can't.


1571:Well the government subsidizes them a lot <pause> for, for a start and it's, again it's the government, the philosophy of the gover of a government either subsidize something or it doesn't, doesn't it, and it subsidizes what it


1572:Yeah


1573:wants to be a success, it did, it takes the subsidy away from

 <unclear >


1574:something that it, either it is successful in itself and it no, no longer needs to be subsidized or something that they want to see go to the wall, if they want to see something going to the wall, it


1575:Yeah, but it belongs to the association


1576:I don't know exactly the


1577:Oh


1578:the ins and outs of them, but there's a lot of government input into it, there's a lot of government help in there, a lot


1579:Oh


1580:and it's, it's the philosophy that people will stand on their own two feet and own


1581:But why


1582:and own their own houses


1583:you see


1584:which is a good philosophy


1585:in some ways to though, I mean I can understand <pause> I think people, some people


1586:Arthur can you just turn the bacon on the chicken and the potatoes?


<unclear >


1587:alright, alright


1588:Yeah, better see what's happening, anyway I've sat long enough


1589:Yeah


1590:I'm as stiff as a board <pause>


1591:You're a fat board


<unclear >


1592:yeah <pause>


1593:We've put the world to rights


1594:Oh it's not a case of putting the world to rights <pause> I'm looking for this bacon


1595:There it's in the fridge


1596:Got it, got it


1597:The bacon's on the chicken


1598:it's only two pieces


1599:Yeah that's all we want


<unclear >


1600:Paula


1601:bacon


<unclear >


1602:Paula


1603:Yeah


1604:it's only two pieces of bacon


1605:The bacon's on the chicken


1606:It's on it, oh, thought you said put it on it <pause> oh God <pause>


1607:Up, not on the pillows but actually sitting up as if he was


1608:Bolt upright?


1609:Bolt upright, yes, fast asleep and then he'd move his hands


1610:Yeah


1611:erm, do you know like erm in meditation people, when they're meditating and their minds are away and, and the bodies are calm and relaxed, it was like that then, then he'd

 <unclear >


1612:go back into his sleep


1613:Yeah


1614:and then he woke up, his, his eyes opened from this, he was actually asleep and his, he woke up from it, not with a start, but the, it's, he woke up very quickly, instantly and he just started to do things.


1615:What do, what age do you think he is?


1616:Oh well in his seventies, touching eighty


1617:Do yo think so?


1618:I think so <pause> if not he's in his high fifties

 <unclear >


1619:his high fifties and he's very old, young


1620:Yeah <pause> what was Paul like last night was his mother there?


1621:Paul, erm he was <pause> his wife was there and his dad <pause> he went for a bath <pause> for a walk, a walk around


1622:You know his dad's a very calm person isn't he?


1623:Yes, yeah


1624:He's very calm


1625:he's, erm


1626:Did you say he was an, in tele was a telephone engineer?


1627:I think so, yes


1628:Oh, he's a nice man, and he seems to be, I mean he seems to be in control of everything


1629:Yeah it's erm <pause>


1630:I feel sorry for the mother though she seems quieter than Colin doesn't she? <pause>


1631:Well she's got something wrong with her legs hasn't she?


1632:She suffers a lot with her legs you know


1633:Yeah


1634:she drags them along doesn't she?
1635:<pause> It's an awful strain though when you've got a young person like <pause> you know like Paul, because I mean <pause> they have their future before them and <pause> but very sad really <pause> he erm <pause> That other boy seems to of gone out doesn't he, that was in the other day, that was walking around, he seemed to of had his treatment and gone.


1636:Which was that one?


1637:There was another one like Paul with er that had had chemotherapy


1638:Oh yes at the end, yes, yes


1639:he seems to of gone <pause>


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=singing>


1640:Want me to do your hair or anything mother?


1641:No <pause> er I thought I'll leave it till tomorrow and then

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


1642:well, well if I'm going to be going home, leave it, cos if I'm going to go home it's pointless


<unclear >


1643:change it or anything, we haven't had any visitors

 <unclear > <pause>


1644:Mm, I mean we might


<unclear >


1645:today <pause> I'll do my hair tomorrow just in case I was going

 <unclear > <pause>


1646:Anything else need going on?


1647:How far are the potatoes and the


1648:About half an hour off the potatoes, you don't want the sprouts on just yet, do you?


1649:No


1650:What er


1651:are we doing those in the microwave?


1652:Yeah and the frozen peas as well please


1653:What time did you put the chicken on?


1654:I'll get those out .
1655:What time did the chicken go on Paula?


1656:I can't remember


<unclear >


1657:it's ten past now, ten past twelve


1658:I can't remember


1659:I said I wish you'd of timed it of it on top


1660:about ten o'clock, half ten


1661:No it was turned that, about half eleven


1662:It was eleven, about half ten, it's been in an hour and a half


1663:Oh


1664:is that enough?
1665:No, I'll just go to the freezer


1666:You've got to be careful with chicken


1667:That's what I said <pause> what are


<unclear >


1668:what's that?
1669:They're the tops of paint pots, you put the


1670:Oh


1671:you put the plastic pot on the bottom, that on the top and so long


1672:they look rather nice, they look


1673:Ha, they're dirty


1674:they, they look expensive don't they?


1675:<vocal desc=laugh> They're dirty, and so long as you erm fill your paint pots up so the water in the pot is below, below that, if you tip it over it doesn't spill


1676:Oh very good that


1677:That's the theory


1678:That's the theory


1679:the practice is a bit different <pause> How long do the sprouts take in the microwave Paula?


1680:Pardon?


1681:How long do the sprouts take in the microwave?


1682:Twelve


1683:Twelve minutes?


1684:Yeah


1685:That's too much, yeah <pause> spilling the peas all over the place here <pause>


1686:What a beautiful day


1687:A good drying day isn't it?


1688:Gorgeous


1689:Yeah


1690:I tell you what I'm going to do


1691:What's that?


1692:I want to


<unclear >


1693:can I iron in here?
1694:Is there any possibility of ironing in here?


1695:Nah I think Paula might hit the roof if you start ironing


1696:I only want to do daddy's pyjamas for the hospital


1697:Well he doesn't need them today


1698:He does, he hasn't got any with him


1699:No pyjamas?


1700:No, he'll be going berserk because he has, he has three pairs of


1701:How many pairs of pyjamas has he got?


1702:He's got three pair


1703:Paula, Paula says hundreds


1704:dirty, only bottoms, Paula he hasn't any jackets


1705:Well, do them then


1706:If you don't mind


1707:Do what you want to do


1708:I want to, where can I plug in out here?


1709:In the socket in the wall <vocal desc=laugh> you can plug in <vocal desc=laugh>


1710:No I mean, it seems pointless carrying it through


1711:Mind yourself


1712:That's


1713:Well do it, see the light there, the that thing


1714:Oh yes I can use this


<unclear >


1715:I'll, I'll put it up for you


1716:Pull it


1717:which way do you want it?


1718:I'm only doing his top


1719:Don't pull it out like that, pull it straight out, don't wiggle it


1720:Wiggle what?


1721:You watch


1722:She's a wiggly wobbly one


1723:watch, oh missus


1724:I'm no missus


1725:just pull it straight out, if you do that to it


<unclear >


1726:you'll wreck it, never mind good God

 <unclear >


1727:that's true, you're a what?
1728:I can see


1729:A Uri Geller


1730:A Uri Geler


1731:I make, I make a mess of everything that


<unclear >


1732:well if you do that to it, to something, no wonder, is that the right way round for you?


1733:Yes


1734:Which way you ironing?


1735:This way


1736:Where you gonna stand oh yeah


1737:I'm gonna stand looking outside at the garden <pause> oh I must do


<unclear >


1738:he's got three pair here


1739:Do you want them on st do you want it on steam?
1740:<pause> How dry are they?
1741:Are they too dry?


1742:No they're just right actually


1743:Are you sure?


1744:Yeah, only I want him to try these on you see because I bought him a new pair yesterday


1745:What d'ya buy, are they cotton?
1746:Are they cotton?


<unclear >


1747:in the morning, cotton, yes


1748:Are they cotton?
1749:Great


1750:they're cotton


1751:they are


<unclear >


1752:it's not hot yet, give it a chance


1753:It's hot


1754:still warming up, oh God


1755:it won't take me, I'm not spending a load of time on jar jamas


1756:Ha don't bother ironing them then


1757:Yes, make them look beautiful


<unclear >


1758:not, not like the other night when we went


<unclear >


1759:yeah


<unclear >


1760:I think that's been worrying him more than anything else you know


1761:I wonder why he keeps being sick


1762:Well they said it was, cos his bowels weren't moving and that


1763:Oh gosh


1764:he said that's, and yet he says now they're moving but, by themselves he doesn't need any, any anememas or enemas or whatever


<unclear >


1765:yeah, what she done with them?
1766:You've not thrown them away have you?


1767:What?


1768:The peelings, the erm, what you call it the sprouts


1769:Ooh


1770:they love those


1771:I'm sorry, can I fish them out?


1772:I think it's a bit late now <pause>


1773:Ow <pause>


1774:Right, have plenty of peas there aren't there?


1775:More than enough


1776:I thought so <pause> what needs doing?
1777:I fancy a cup of tea <pause> It's a crack it's a cracking day isn't it?


1778:Yes


<unclear >


1779:are you getting out there?
1780:Get the, get the grass cut


<unclear >


1781:get the grass cut, what the heck is, oh I see it


<unclear >


1782: When they begin


1783:When you going down to the hospital this afternoon or tonight?


1784:Can't do


<unclear >


1785:well look in that case I'll do this afternoon okay?


1786:And I'll do


<unclear >


1787:yeah


1788:about six o'clock I'd quite like to go and have a chat to Bob <pause> otherwise if he


1789:Oh you broke that, sprung that one on us


1790:I've been thinking, I've been thinking


1791:Well I, he'll only just be getting in from work


1792:Yeah we'll have this a bit and then carry on


1793:Well erm, at half past six Paula he'll be in the middle of his tea, you've got to give the guy a chance to turn round <pause> try to suit you, but think of him, he's just getting in from work and boom


1794:But I've got to get my


<unclear >


1795:well get that done <pause> what else have you got to do?

 <unclear >


1796: I forgot, right well get yourself in there.


1797:But I can do


<unclear >


1798:in fact I'll go up and do half an hour before dinner


1799:Well this, won't be an hour yet will it before this is ready?


1800:Half an hour, the lid of this won't come off this


<unclear >


1801:oh no it's not ready yet, leave it on


1802:Oh for the bacon


1803:Oh the bacon's alright, you don't want it dried up, hate dried bacon


1804:Right I'll go and do erm


<unclear >


1805:right off you go, go on, clear off <pause> you okay?


1806:Fine, if I get them done be ready for the


<unclear >


1807:is this all the ironing there is?


1808:Oh yeah


1809:I'll do those trousers then


1810:that's all there is


1811:What about these jeans have you checked those?


1812:No they've only just gone out


1813:Oh


1814:those aren't ready, they've only just gone out


1815:Right


1816:I don't know whether Paula wants to put another


<unclear >


1817:or what?


1818:I'll ask her


<unclear >


1819:might as well now while it's, the weather's as good as this, Paula, Paula


1820:Yes love


1821:do you want another wash done again?
1822:You might as well seeing the weather's as good as this <pause> oh yeah


1823:Oh that's


1824:all this lot


1825:that's four, six


1826:do this four one


1827:on an economy


1828:on an economy right, what else, what's in the basket?


1829:Nothing


1830:Are you sure?


1831:Well there are things in there, they need hand washing but it's all


<unclear >


1832:but there's a shirt in there


1833:It needs hand washing


1834:A striped shirt?


1835:It said on the label, very strong colour, risk it in that four wash, go on, on the four wash


1836:Well it's, a bit crazy if you've gotta a shirt, is it one of mine?


<unclear >


1837:is it one of those new ones


<unclear >


1838:look how strong that red is


1839:Yeah but it doesn't say hand wash it


1840:No, it said for the first wash it's a very strong rinse


1841:Where does it say that?


1842:On the label, but it's cut off


1843:Hand wash, hand hot, four, machine fifty


1844:from a label that's been cut off, it can go in a four wash, cos it doesn't matter what it's in with cos it's only on shirts for us.


1845:That one isn't, that's Tony's, yeah, er mine I'm not bothered about those


<unclear >


1846:right, I'll leave you to it


<unclear >


1847:call you down for t dinner when it's ready


1848:Like a cup of tea


1849:Like a cup of tea would you?
1850:Do you want it stirred clockwise or anti-clockwise?
1851:<pause> Right


<unclear >


1852:can I just get to the washer?


1853:Yeah


1854:Alright, you're alright that's plenty, plenty


<unclear >


1855:such a beautiful day it'll dry


1856:Ah it's a bit daft not to, isn't it really?


1857:It is really, well I've been hanging them out because it's, that's such an effort, you know what the cleaner s


<unclear >


1858:they iron better you know if they go out


1859:That's what the cleaner said the other day, she said have you been hanging your clothes out?
1860:I said yes, she said it's lovely, she said make it so easy for ironing, see


1861:That's right


1862:the trouble is I find that they go very boardy when you got


<unclear >


1863:it loses all the


1864:It's good when you put them in, if you put them in a tumble dryer


1865:Yeah


1866:that helps them, but if you put them on radiators and God knows what round the house trying to keep them, get them dry


<unclear >


1867:dry actually


1868:Yeah <pause> true, true, true


1869:well you've got to do it in the winter so


1870:Oh yeah

 <unclear >


1871:well not really stick, stick them in a tumble dryer if you're lucky <pause> depends how much money you've got


1872:That's a good t washer that I've bought you know


1873:What's that?


1874:Well it's got thick and thin dryer


1875:Oh, yeah, yeah


1876:and you don't get, you know how you get steam and these


1877:Steam from what?


1878:these tumble dryers


1879:Yeah


1880:it goes back into the washer


1881:Into the vent?


<unclear >


1882:what make is it?


1883:Oh I can't remember it, it's a foreign one


1884:A foreign


1885:Mm, ah, I didn't realize your tumble dryer was on its, you could of had my other tumble dryer


1886:Is on its what?


1887:On its <pause> you know there's something the matter with it


1888:Oh it's only the return spring on it, there's nothing wrong with the dryer


1889:because you could of had mine


1890:Ah there's donkey's years in that yet, oh God


1891:Oh mine was not used


1892:No, there's nothing


1893:got rid of it


1894:Yeah, nothing wrong with that <pause>


1895:What's the worry about it?


1896:Well you see when you turn that you see turn, turn your control


1897:Yeah


1898:and it's set and it should click back shouldn't it slowly?


1899:Yeah


1900:It does that, so there's a


1901:Oh I see


1902:return spring gone on it that's all


1903:Mm


1904:get in the top of it one day


<unclear >


1905:nah, nothing wrong with that, it dries them, dries them beautifully


1906:You can get, well the trouble is with the new <unclear >


1907:Well done Paula she's used all the hot water


1908:Oh yes she's, she's


1909:Had a bath


1910:did she wash her feet before?


1911:Yeah well if, it's a stupid way of doing it when you've got a boiler that's heating up, you can just wait on a bit


1912:You might, you might as well wait


1913:Yeah, it's an expensive way of <pause> of doing it anyway


1914:you see you might as well wait


1915:I can set it up


1916:Yeah


1917:economy wash


1918:That's not, they're much nicer when they're outside


1919:Oh yeah


1920:much easier to


<unclear >


1921:oh I couldn't agree with you more, that's plenty


1922:We got a good dryer


<unclear >


1923:yeah you catch enough wind there don't you?


1924:Yeah


1925:Same as this, this catches a lovely


1926:This is lovely this <pause>


1927:Will be once that hedge gets up


1928:I like that divided hedge it's beautiful


1929:You notice how the Pyracantha are there


1930:Yeah, yeah


1931:these, this little group here are different from all the others


1932:Yeah


1933:different breed, different variety


1934:It's a pity you didn't do your outer edge with roses


1935:Which one the


1936:Yeah the beech one


1937:the beech


1938:Yeah


1939:that was already in I was gonna


1940:Was it?


1941:Yeah, oh yeah, that's gonna look good that when we, when we get it to something like


1942:How


1943:when it fills out


1944:how long did, has, has that one been in the Pyracantha?


1945:Pyracantha, about four years now


1946:And can you keep them that height if


1947:Yeah, well we will do once we'll get them to the height we want we'll start trimming them and they'll bush out a bit more, that's not bad they're about four, four or five foot now aren't they?


1948:Is that man, that man you


<unclear >


1949:I don't know whether to have a brick wall or whether to


1950:Well you've got your hedge trimmer haven't you?


1951:Yes but I cannot get


1952:So you've got the tool to keep it


1953:but I can't


1954:to keep it under control


1955:I'll never be able to do it myself


1956:No, but you've got the tool I'm saying to keep it under control


1957:Yeah, but I couldn't use it so, so


1958:No


1959:so I didn't know whether to have a brick edge er a brick wall


1960:See these, this type of thing, this er Pyracantha, the reason why you've go that, it's evergreen


1961:Yeah


1962:its thorns, it's got thorns in it so it stops


1963:Which is good it stops animals


1964: any well anybody can


<unclear >


1965:deters, deters them


1966:Yeah


1967:you've got some, you've got flowers on it, wh those white flowers and then you get those lovely red berries


1968:You got them lovely red berries


1969:so you've got a mix of everything in it


1970:Yeah


1971:it's an ideal thing


1972:Where'd you buy those from?


1973:Erm, a nursery up, going towards Norwich on the A one forty


1974:Oh yeah


1975:and he just got them in, real, there's a


1976:I tell, I tell


1977:there's a better one now, you know, er where we found out, you know where we got the Laurels from at the other side?


1978:Yeah


1979:Well they are erm, we got those from a place the other side of Ipswich on the Shotley peninsula, I think it says Paul Doubleday in, name of the nursery and that's a genuine nursery, not some of these pretending to be a nursery in a garden centre, he se he grows stuff to sell to Councils and you know big organizations


1980:Yeah, they're good plants and everything


1981:Cracking plants really good ones, and alright, they're not, they're not the cheapest in the world, but you get quality plants


1982:But you get quality, oh yes you get what you pay for


1983:I suppose if you're buying by the thousands the price'd come down a lot, but when we were only buying about, you know, forty odd plants


1984:I tell you what I, the hedging I liked too, is if you can have a hedging that comes, you know, some of the garden centres sell them that you got something every month of the year


1985:Oh yeah, well you could plant it yourself couldn't you?


1986:Yeah, oh yeah


1987:Yeah


1988:Ah, that means trying to


1989:but it, that, that's okay providing in the winter, you haven't got some of it that's evergreen and some of it that you, you know, then you've got to hedge it's


1990:Oh yes you've got to cut it


1991:and mish-mash in the winter


1992:you see, er, er Mary was a bit silly because she's had a lot of air plant, they just pulled them off and threw them out, now I wouldn't of done, done that because I would of kept some of those


1993:Mm


1994:because she does it, she didn't know what was in the garden, cos she hadn't been there long enough, now I think that's silly because I think you're better waiting a couple of years, seeing what comes up


1995:What it does


1996:and then decide


1997:Yeah


1998:because you're spending a lot of money


1999:When did she move in?


2000:Oh, well she bought the house same time as we bought the house you see


2001:Yeah but when did she move in though?


2002:She didn't ah, she didn't move in till after us, Aug in the August sort of thing, the summer that we moved in, a couple of years ago


2003:Mm, mm


2004:you see she didn't give it till the spring to see what came up, I mean she had it all paved which was silly because they, there were a load of rose bushes and that


2005:Mm, mm


2006:which she, I mean you, you're throwing away a lot of plants that you might decide to keep


2007:True <pause> very true


2008:But I do like that hedging I think it's beautiful when the red berries are on it


2009:Mm


2010:but er


2011:Well it's not, it's not a bad hedge <pause> and it's now starting to get you know


2012:you see, I'm


2013:a, a good growth on it


2014:I'm static the only trouble is with our front is that because we're getting old we can't manage, we're not going to plan each garden, so it might be easier to have a, a big lawn and then


2015:Concrete the lot


2016:Ha


2017:paint it green <vocal desc=laugh>


2018:No, no but it, it, you've got, I mean that hedge


<unclear >


2019:it's too much work, see Archie was gonna come and do it this year


2020:There's no way that's gonna happen now is it?


2021:No, it's not gonna happen


2022:No way


2023:Well you see Archie said to dad that he would help him to take all the bush bit out


2024:And he got Paul down for that, Paul and Tony and myself


2025:Yeah


2026:he'd of done that you see, all the


2027:with the


2028:grubbing out


2029:Well it's the, it's because we don't want the


2030:It's a <unclear > isn't it mainly?


2031:Yeah, but it's


2032:Bits of other things in that


2033:Yes it's gone it's gone, the bit, it's gone too straggly after


2034:Oh yeah


2035:you know once you, you, you lose all that bottom


2036:Mm


2037:and it's all dead wood really


2038:Mm, mm


2039:and you've got to keep trimming it and all to keep it nice and, and chic, no I, I think like


<unclear >


2040:you're doing a good job here aren't you?
2041:Keep going, that one now.


2042:That's nice, bought these yesterday aren't they nice?


2043:Bought them yesterday?


2044:Yeah


2045:And you've washed them?


2046:Well erm, I've just gave them a quick rinse because the erm, that stuff's


<unclear >


2047:the sizing of the, I don't like the


<unclear >


2048:Oh he will be pleased he'll think it's his birthday


2049:He will, well this is his celebration didn't you know?


2050:<vocal desc=laugh> Pyjamas


2051:It annoys him because his best pyjamas are here and he's seeing the specialist


2052:He won't be annoyed


2053:Well he would if, if he gets to look at his


<unclear >


2054:he doesn't get annoyed father does he?


2055:Oh no


2056:No


2057:no but I say he, he would be wanting to dress up today in this


<unclear >


2058:well he can't <vocal desc=laugh>


2059:He can't, he's got three pair here, oh these are beautiful.


2060:Where you get off at?


2061:Er


2062:Debdens


2063:Debdens, they had a sale on


2064:Well


2065:Three pounds


2066:hasn't, hasn't everybody got a sale on?


2067:Yeah, they've all got a sale


2068:Made in Hong Kong, brilliant


<unclear >


2069:yeah, yeah


2070:Everything's made in Hong Kong


2071:Hong Kong


2072:now


2073:Yeah


2074:or Pakistan


2075:I've not seen that, right do you want a cup of tea?


2076:No thank you


2077:You sure?


2078:What time's lunch then?


2079:Well it's gonna be a long time off that yet, another half an hour


2080:Oh go on, I'll be a devil


<unclear >


2081:ha, be a devil


2082:I'll be a devil and celebrate <pause>


2083:Celebrate with a cup of tea, that's not bad <pause> do you want a strong cup or a weak one?


2084:Oh a strong one


2085:A strong one, you're really celebrating are you?
2086:<pause> There you are, you can stand your spoon up in that <pause>


2087:Oh you can tell they're made in Hong Kong


<unclear >


2088:go on then why, how can you tell that?


2089:Well, look at the sleeves, I mean you wouldn't do that in an English, in an English pair of pyjamas


2090:Why not?


2091:put a piece in


2092:No


2093:our clothes are definitely

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2094:no correct


2095:<vocal desc=laugh> I, are, it's on your heat


2096:that


<unclear >


2097:those are very bad


2098:Take them back to Hong Kong


2099:Take them back


<unclear >


2100:right


2101:Slow boat to China


2102:Who sang that?
2103:I'd like to get you on a slow boat to China?


2104: I like to get you


2105:Who was it?
2106:Who sang it?
2107:<pause> What's his name, ooh <pause> cup of tea, have you finished it yet?
2108:<pause> Ah?


2109:No I haven't


2110:Have I hell <pause> ah going through the diary now, it's at that stage, enjoy it?


<unclear >


2111:oh, oh <pause> oops push your chair in a bit, how's it going?


2112:Alright


2113:Are you out there?
2114:Just pull the mike out


<unclear >


2115:crash, bang, wallop, gone <pause> what they did for work today <pause> a little bit of exercise, desk work a lot of exercise, exercise.


2116:Not


2117:Do you spell roughage like that?


2118:Where?


2119:Put it back to fibre, go back to your bit on fibre <pause>


2120:Roughage


2121:a section on


2122:oh it, it might, it won't


2123:Yeah


2124:pick it up cos it's in speech marks <pause> I'll put the speech marks back after it


2125:It just doesn't look right


2126:Let's find out <pause> no that's how you spell it


2127:Where is it?


2128:Oh it's gone back <pause>


2129:I suppose it's gotta be hasn't it, when you think about it


<unclear >


2130:Yeah


2131:Ah, you should be able to tell


2132:Do you want me to check your spellings for you?
2133:Yeah, put your speech marks round it now


<unclear >


2134:rough, yes


<unclear >


2135:okay, put your speech marks round it, I take it all back then I said about that, it just didn't look right.
2136:Do you want me to check spellings for you?


2137:No it should do it, oh I've got to go through it yet properly


2138:I thought you'd done that.


2139:No, not yet


2140:Have you had any more problems with it?


2141:Whoops


2142:You didn't, ha didn't <pause>


2143:Can't


<unclear >


2144:yes that's okay


<unclear >


2145:veg


2146:Vegetables <pause> think of vegetable


2147:Oh I, yes


2148:that's it


2149:in convenience


2150: con that's convenience, convenience


2151: partici


2152: par paricipate <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2153: paricipate , that's a good word that, paricipate


2154: ex


2155:Yeah, alright, exercise, exercise rather than exercise


2156:exercise oh yes exercise, where is it now?


2157:There


2158:Where?
2159:There


2160:that's exercises


2161:Yes


2162:you just want the S off the end that's all


2163:Yeah


<unclear >


2164:oh put it in if you want to then <pause>


2165:Erm


2166:it's got it in there


2167:yeah I got it, I've got it


2168:Yes


2169:right down there, but


<unclear >


2170:okay do they live in a house, bungalow, does it <pause>


2171:Ignore, that's it, save that and try that <pause> eight thousand characters


2172:So you


<unclear >


2173:yeah


2174:eight thousand characters


2175:Yes


2176:not eight thousand words?


2177:you find out the number of words if you spell check


2178:Go on then how many words have you got?


2179:Erm,


<unclear >


2180:ignore that <pause> ignore that


2181:Ignoring a lot


2182:No just ignoring two


2183:One thousand, two hundred and


2184:One thousand, two hundred and thirty


2185:It's over twelve hundred bytes and this is in a maths


2186:Oh yeah it takes about six thousand


2187:Where does your maths come into it then?


2188:Oh later on


2189:What will it be?
2190:What will it take the form of, your maths?


2191:Oh dear


2192:Statistics?


2193:Yeah I expect it's what it is erm control


<unclear >


2194:format <pause> centred, yes, statistics, the whole thing is, the


<unclear >


2195:paper, do it, computer


<unclear >


2196:pardon, you need what?


2197:Do it with the computer program, it's a lot easier, use erm


<unclear >


2198:grass or


2199:I thought grass was, had a lot of limits on it?


2200:Oh yes it has, you can get round it, if you use erm Basic and can run graph from Basic, and then a Basic program to counteract grass limits


2201:I put a capital J there


2202:on


2203:yeah, cos it is a title isn't it?


2204:I forgotten about doing all


<unclear >


2205:maths coursework


2206:How's it going? <pause>


2207:How's it going Ton?


2208:Fineish


2209:Fineish?


2210:Oh yeah


2211:That's it, good lad, is it still F seven to flip it over from


2212:No control F four, some strange, it's got a mind of its own


2213:Control


2214:What you really want is a printout of all those commands


2215:There is


2216:so you cho so you can actually print it out


2217:Well if you bought the

 <unclear > <pause>


2218:It might go wrong


<unclear >


2219:what might go wrong?
2220:You lose it all <vocal desc=laugh> just a slight detail, leave the door


2221:Right, what


<unclear >


2222:this may explode into a thousand fragments so I'll just have to start all over again without having to print out copy


2223:Are you saving this on disk or is this going onto hard disk?


2224:Well it's the same thing


2225:The same thing


2226:save it onto hard disk


2227:all the hard disk is, is those little floppy disks on top of them


2228:Stack of them, yeah, but how d'ya get it out, are you gonna save it from the hard disk onto a floppy?


2229:Yeah, yeah


2230:That's what you're going to do?


2231:Yeah


2232:You just save it instead of when you save it you just


2233:won't be enough room to do that


2234:type A drive


2235:But, er yeah, cos if something does go wrong, if there's a power fail er now


2236:transfer save, oh that you


2237:you would be up the creek without your paddle wouldn't you?


2238:Er, no, not really


2239:Wouldn't you?
2240:Well if it didn't save it on that how does it, how do you get it back?


2241:It save it every nine minutes or something, it's got a backup save, you know on the


<unclear >


2242:without you telling it to save


2243:Yeah


2244:and a


<unclear >


2245:you can set it so it's erm, it says, backup save and you type Y or no


2246:Yeah


2247:and you can set it so it'll backup save every minute or every hour


2248:Really?


2249:Yeah, it's brilliant so you know on the Nimbus when it's turned itself off


2250:It won't matter


2251:you might only lose about a paragraph of work


2252:Well it depends on what you, what


2253:Ah this is good <vocal desc=laugh>


2254:Your frequency is


<unclear >


2255:Operator


2256:Oh no


2257:Ditto, ditto <pause> my or may?
2258:Key words


2259:Key words


2260:None


2261:None


2262:Comments


2263:Comments rubbish


2264:I hope I get an A <vocal desc=laugh>


2265: You daft thing <pause>


2266:Version number one


2267:Thing is when it comes up on words that


2268:How do you know, oh it's saving it onto the disk now


2269:And it tells you how much spare there is left


2270:How many bytes are free yeah


2271:Nine hundred and ninety nine characters oh


2272:A hundred and twenty four thousand, nine hundred and twenty eight bytes free


2273:Free on that disk, there's considerably more on the hard disk, ha


2274:It'll probably fill


2275:Yeah


2276:a hole


2277:What frequency does it save it at?


2278:You can change that escape


2279:If you want


2280:options, auto save, enter auto save into the


<unclear >


2281:minutes, zero for none


2282:Why don't you do it one, every minute?


2283:Erm it's just


2284:What happens if you


2285:because if, if you're editing it


2286:Yes, yeah


2287:and you don't, you don't and you make a mistake


2288:Yeah


2289:you don't want it to save it


2290:You can undo that


2291:So, so when it's auto save it's, then you edit it does it auto, will auto save again, does it take out the things already in that you've altered, that you've edited?


2292:Yeah


2293:It's just like a normal save it overrides


2294:Yeah it overwrites everything


2295:Yeah


2296:Yeah, you can


2297:You can tell it to


2298:and you can


<unclear >


2299:so what you, auto saving every ten minutes


2300:Yeah


2301:I think you're a bit wrong there old son


2302:No you're alright, cos sometimes you make, you, you know, you're writing and you need a flow of ten minutes cos then it interrupts and says do you want to save this?


2303:Oh I see what you mean it doesn't, it doesn't do it without you, not telling you


2304:You can, you can get it so it doesn't interrupt


2305:it just does it without you knowing it, that would be good wouldn't it?


2306:Well you can


2307:Without interrupting your flow


2308:you can but if you're, if you make a mistake


2309:Yeah


2310:it just saves it like that


2311:Yeah


2312:Oh my, oh my goodness I've lost everything


2313:You've lost the lot


2314:Yeah, so


2315:Can't you undo it though?


2316:No


2317:So it's auto save every ten minutes


2318:Yeah, with


<unclear >


2319:this is the window options


2320:Mm


2321:Where'd you get this program from?


2322:Dudley got it <vocal desc=laugh>


2323:And where did Dudley get it from?


2324:I don't know


2325:Was it


<unclear >


2326:was this pirated?


2327:Yeah


2328:Yeah


2329:God I, you know, shouldn't do that


2330:Nearly everything on that hard disk is pirated


2331:No, no way


2332:dad oh I'm sorry

 <unclear > <pause>


2333:Oh well


2334:I never knew you were


<unclear >


2335:you get the law in here

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


2336:Ah, rewind that tape


2337:No, staying as it is, use this in evidence

 <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


2338:Oh dear


2339:You shouldn't of brought the subject up


2340:Well you should be innocent shouldn't you?

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2341:Lily white <pause>


2342:Is anybody lily white? <vocal desc=laugh>


2343:Dunno


2344:This is rather an


<unclear >


2345:conversation


2346:No, go on clear off


2347:He needed any <unclear >


2348:leave your mum alone, Paul leave your mum alone


2349:Can you shorten that thingy then


<unclear >


2350:Oh be quiet <pause>


2351:Er I don't know what we'd do without you Paul <pause> I'm gonna, I'm gonna


<unclear >


2352:Potatoes are nearly ready


2353:What?


2354:have you turned them off, have you turned that thing off it'll cook in the heat that's on there won't it?


2355:Take the top off the chicken


2356:Yeah, but I mean, I'm gonna take the heat off it's pointless it blasting till the end


2357:Is it ready?
2358:Yes and the top of it


2359:And the sprouts are on, twelve minutes you say


2360:Yeah, on its


2361:You've got about twelve minutes left


2362:Right okay


2363:that's what I'm warning you of


<unclear >


2364:I can do the gravy and all that, yeah, I can sort that out, I don't need to be told that, you're alright


2365:You want me to do the gravy?


2366:Pardon?


2367:Do you want me to do the gravy?


2368:No you're alright, Paul's good at doing the gravy


2369:Am I?


2370:Is only Paul who can do gravy, so he tells us


2371:Have you got to fill all those twelve tapes up?


2372:Twenty


2373:Twenty, blimey, are they all blanks then?


2374:Pardon?


2375:Are they all blanks?


2376:That's why I've got to fill them all up because they're blank, yeah


2377:Oh my God


2378:I wouldn't be filling them up if they weren't blank, are they all blank? <pause>


2379:What did you put me down for accent?


2380:Your accent?


2381:Yeah.


2382:Outer space <pause>


2383:How, I haven't got an accent have I actually?


2384:I don't know


2385:Non


2386:Pardon?


2387:It's non


2388:Non, neutral, neuter <pause> now give it a chance to cook


2389:Yeah it's


<unclear >


2390:mm, mm, if I put the chicken on Paul


2391:Oh yeah <pause>


2392:it'll only take you a second to do that, bring you, mind yourself, let me just, whoosh that's hot


2393:It's smoking


2394:Right


2395:it's not cooked yet


2396:Pardon?


2397:It's not cooked yet


2398:Oh it is well and truly cooked, tell me when


2399:Whoops


2400:Oh damn


<unclear >


2401:can happen <pause> that'll do won't it?


2402:Yeah


2403:Plenty, just sort that bacon out, here are


2404:Thank you <pause> er


2405:What's the matter with it?


2406:Looks like it's green


2407:It taste like it's green?


2408:It looks like it's green


2409:It looks like it's green, yeah


2410:Oh no it's horrible


2411:It's horrible is it?


2412:Yeah


2413:Let's get the

 <unclear > <pause>


2414:Put that in here, that's right


<unclear >


2415:it'll soon get up


<unclear >


2416:where are the plates?
2417:Are they in the top oven?


2418:Yeah


2419:Yes it's all


2420:No


2421:Thank


<unclear >


2422:erm no <pause> have a knife please out of the drawer, just check the sprouts, wash, they looked cooked, they looked cooked


2423:Yeah that'll do


2424:They're cooked aren't they?
2425:Yeah <pause> I'll just put them back in for twenty seconds just to get them up to heat, keep your eye on this Paul, it'll go over if you don't <pause>


2426:Yes it's started to boil now <pause>


2427:these peas are neon ready <pause> there we go <pause> right


2428:Yeah it's boiling


2429:It's boiled?


2430:Yeah


2431:Right


<unclear >


2432:turn it down put the cornflour in


2433:Shall I put the cornflour in?


2434:Yes, that's it, keep stirring it


<unclear >


2435:okay?


2436:Put the plates


2437:It's Paul


2438:aren't we?


2439:Yeah you're alright, yes


2440:Have we got the plates?


2441:you're okay, yes we've got the plates ready


2442:We're all ready


2443:We're all ready, we're just waiting for this gravy now


2444:It seems to be a certain line of fat round it


2445:Where?


2446:Let's see


2447:That's okay, keep it going Paul


2448:Fat's good for you


2449:Ha <pause> keep it going


2450:Where's the fat?


2451:Can't you see it, look?


2452:That's not fat.


<unclear >


2453:that's not fat it's fat when you see all grease on the top


2454:That


2455:Where?


2456:when you pull the spatula across that's oil


2457:That's it


2458:that's oil


2459:that's oil that, <vocal desc=laugh>, that's axle grease <vocal desc=laugh>


2460:Oil is fat isn't it?


2461:Yeah


2462:That is oil


2463:You a good cook Paul?


2464:Of course he is, he takes after his dad


2465:Cos making the gravy


2466:takes after his dad don't you Paul?


2467:don't, don't


<unclear >


2468:who does the carving


<unclear >


2469:yeah it's coming out now, right, can you get the dish out please? <pause>


<unclear >


2470:Are we ready?
2471:<pause> Where's the steel?
2472:<pause> Oh dear out you come, right, can we


2473:Can I have a go at carving it?


2474:Yeah help yourself


<unclear >


2475:you'll learn

 <unclear > <pause>


2476:How do you know when you're getting low on batteries?


2477:How do I know what?


2478:When you get low on batteries?


2479:You've got to change them every so often, mm, it tells you to, I suppose that's to stop it erm suddenly dying on you, it's sense I suppose


<unclear >


2480:why did you


2481:Can I have the dish out, the carving dish, out of the cupboard


2482:No you can't cos I can't find it


2483:It's in there


2484:I'll get it <pause>


2485:Okey-dokey and the chicken now, open the oven, let's have that Paul, please <pause> get the other, if I can find it, what's the matter you haven't burnt yourself have you?


2486:No, it's the heat


2487:Brought it up, no leave those in, otherwise it'll get cold, er, can you get the plates out now please?


2488:Why didn't they supply you with an adaptor?


<unclear >


2489:adaptor what?


2490:So you can plug it into the mains


2491:Plug it into, oh this thing, well you can't move around then can you?


2492:No, but if you stay sitting down


2493:Ha


2494:Okay <pause> plates out

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


2495:are you gonna carve this or what?


2496:Yeah I'll carve it <pause>


2497:You want drinks


<unclear >


2498:er orange juice or anything, ha?


2499:It's hot


2500:Is it warm Paul?


2501:Just a bit


2502:Oh it's the


<unclear >


2503:int it?


2504:You don't carve the onion


2505:Ah, don't you?


2506:No


2507:What do you do with the onion then?


2508:Throw it at the cat


<unclear >


2509:loves the onion and she always eats the onion


2510:It happens when you're


<unclear >


2511:when you're brought up in the war you see, waste not, want not


2512:I hate it


2513:There you are try that side, here you are


2514:How much do you do?


2515:like that at that angle


2516:Aha


2517:cos if you keep following that cut then sooner or later you'll come across the, the bone okay, there, that lot


2518:The breast bone


2519:don't worry about that, right


2520:Oh you're learning to carve


2521:just inside it, he's trying to, why not?


2522:Good idea


2523:Good idea, one day you might be able to do it, oh


2524:I'm not cagy handed

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2525:oh he's cagy handed int


2526:No he's not, no he's not


2527:Who's left handed?


2528:Tony


2529:Tony


2530:Can you


<unclear >


2531:that one please?


2532:Yep, what you do is see that


2533:Does, does


2534:it just lifts up, it doesn't


2535:Oh


2536:You've been trying to turn it haven't you?
2537:Never mind


2538:What a wonderful thing education is


2539:Yeah, it's called commonsense, but never mind


2540:Never mind


2541:never mind my dear


2542:never mind, er


2543:We don't need that much in there


2544:No I know, I'm going to make two glasses out of it <pause>


2545:Be that, the best way of making this, can I show you?


2546:You get a jug


2547:Make a jug full yeah, seriously


<unclear >


2548:oh, okay


2549:What do you do now?


2550:Now you start to share it out onto the plate


2551:Now you do the legs


2552:No you don't, no you share it out first and then you see if you need to do the legs <pause> or we can have the legs, the legs on, on butties or


<unclear >


2553:or a curry, yes <pause> okey-dokey, here we go


2554:He likes chicken breasts


2555:Oh good, that's enough for Philip, yeah


2556:No, no this is Philip's


2557:Oh, okay, that's alright, okay


2558:What I, I carved the chicken


2559:I carved the chicken


2560:I tell you what I can't do is carve <unclear >


2561:Sing


<unclear >


2562:there's a technique isn't there?


2563:carve meat


2564:Yeah


2565:Oh aye


<unclear >


2566:I like the way he gets bits of fingers in it, you know


2567:Yeah


2568:yeah, that's the bone, it takes a lot of skill that getting a bit


<unclear >


2569:go on then


2570:Who wants a leg?


2571:Erm, yeah, put a leg on somebody's, it doesn't matter who and then we can sort out later, is that, that the right number of plates?


2572:Six


2573:Two, four, six, yeah, that's alright, yeah, leave that there


2574:Shall I just dish


2575:no leave that there


<unclear >


2576:another leg


<unclear >


2577:ha


<unclear >


2578:takes one to know one


2579:Ah, damn <pause> okay <pause>


2580:Where'd you get those


<unclear >


2581:from for the


2582:Get the what from?


2583:the tops for these


2584:For what love?


2585:That's enough


<unclear >


2586:oh no, you'll want a bit more than that in


2587:Shall I carve the


2588:You reckon?


2589:Yes, yes


2590:It's very strong that one


2591:I know it's very strong


<unclear >


2592:right up to the bottom


<unclear >


2593:erm, where'd I get what from?


2594:Those top, those new tops


<unclear >


2595:that, it came with it


2596:Oh I've seen him with


2597:Yeah


2598:Can it be put on a, on a coffee jar?
2599:No


2600:A coffee jar?


2601:cos it hasn't got the screw


2602:Not with it


2603:The, it has, you know the old coffee jars when you empty them


2604:Oh I know what you mean


2605:Yeah


2606:Er, no, never thought of that, to tell you the truth


<unclear >


2607:now these sprouts mother, these sprouts


<unclear >


2608:they've been cooked in the microwave for twelve minutes


<unclear >


2609:okay, well we don't know yet, until


2610:Oh that onion's beautiful int it?


<unclear >


2611:to keep it open


<unclear >


2612:put sprouts, sprouts in a microwave and


<unclear >


2613:veg cooked in a microwave and, if you can get it right


2614:If I can say


2615:you must get one of these you know, oh yes


2616:Must get one a microwave if Debbie comes home I think, I'll see, I've been saying that but I was thinking if, I'll have to wait and see Debbie


2617:They are nice, they are good things to have


2618:whether Hank


<unclear >


2619:them


2620:Oh he's not <pause> right, are you ready with the, with that Paul?


2621:Try and get to boil again


2622:Pardon?
2623:No it doesn't matter seriously, turn it up, right up <pause>


2624:They are, okay


2625:Right up, okay


2626:I'll put it in a jug shall I?


2627:Yes


2628:Arthur, if he comes home as brass as


2629:you can do mine in here Paul if you want


2630:a button


2631:Yeah


2632:it'll be a waste of time


2633:How would it be a waste of time?


2634:Well, he'll, he'll wait up for his meals


2635:Oh I see what you mean, no I don't think he'll come home as bright as a button, somehow or other


<unclear >


2636:I think, I think you'll get the bright times won't you, like he's been in hospital


2637:Yeah


2638:but he's been really


<unclear >


2639:really on the ball, but I don't think it's gonna happen much, not for a month or two <pause>


2640:What you, you've got to keep it <unclear >


2641:you want something on your, you want something on your feet or


2642:I know


2643:old son, you're gonna stand on something sharp or something hot spilt on them and you are gonna scream


2644:And now where er, what you doing with the gravy, put it, let the people


2645:Paul's


2646:put their own on


2647:Paul's got it in the bowl, in a, in a, on a bowl?


<unclear >


2648:was that Philip's that little one?


2649:The one with the leg is Philip's


2650:Yeah


2651:Right


2652:if he doesn't like his bacon we'll have it, tell him


2653:If you don't want your bacon


2654:cos there's one here without bacon <pause> you done 'em?
2655:Right who want there's a leg here, bits and bobs


<unclear >


2656:have you told your mum Tony that dinner's, can you tell her


<unclear >


2657:yeah, I'll have that, the other two, bring the gravy through, here he is with the gravy


2658:In here with the gravy


2659:Paul and the gravy


2660:Who's having er what?
2661:Oh I don't want the leg


2662:That's not yours, you can sit wherever you like


2663:I'll sit on


<unclear >


2664:Paula, Paula, it's all out, come on


2665:Oh what a lot of


<unclear >


2666:you have some


<unclear >


2667:oh we haven't put the, Paul you haven't put the stuffing on


2668:Oh no shock, horror


2669:Can you get the stuffing on a plate


<unclear >


2670:okay


2671:Tony


2672:taste nice that


<unclear >


2673:do you want more potatoes because I can't eat these


2674:Yeah I'll have


2675:One potato


2676:rather than start and


2677:oh


2678:Are we on air?


2679:We're all on air, we have been all morning


2680:Who's on air?


2681:You are


2682:Oh God


2683:while you've been swearing and that been going ever so, police'll be round tomorrow


2684:What doing?


2685:Arresting you


2686:What for?


2687:Yes


2688:That is terrible


2689:Ooh what a lovely dinner between us


2690:Now do you have to re play it back to get the voices in the order?


2691:No, I can remember forty five minutes' worth no problem, oh Tony er Paul get erm a bowl, erm, a dish, a dish, don't put it ah


2692:Take it, no way out, it hasn't got a pourer


2693:He's put the wrong one, he's put a soup bowl out

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


2694:give the lad a chance


2695:It hasn't got a squirter


2696:Is that why it goes like that?


2697:Yes you've got to have a


2698:A lip


2699:the one with a lip like this


2700:Can't put it into my


<unclear >


2701:well this looks good


2702:This is delicious


2703:Mm, oh it's beautiful, oh, oh best meal this year, oh


2704:Paul made the gravy


2705:Who made the gravy?


2706:I made the gravy


2707:Paul made the gravy


2708:and I carved half the chicken


2709:Yeah he's been carving the chicken, yeah


2710:Don't forget your stuffing Arthur, do you want your stuffing?


2711:They are


2712:Erm, no


<unclear >


2713:ah nice one Tony


2714:I tell you what's nice stuffing if they have it in Ulster Paula, is the chestnut one


2715:Yeah it is nice that, yeah


2716:it's a nice one that


2717:Is it one that Ken and Margaret used to have?


2718:Mm


2719:What was that?


2720:Have you had your, have you had a sprout?


2721:Mm


2722:Aren't they nice?


2723:Yeah they're quite nice


2724:Oh you're a wonderful cook Arthur


2725:Keep 'em coming <pause>


2726:Why've you got a glass here?
2727:Why've I've got a glass and no one else got a glass?


2728:No if you look around


2729:Cos you're having wine, would you like the spare?


2730:there's six glasses


2731:Everybody's got a glass


2732:Yeah, but why I've got a wine glass and everybody


2733:Well we thought you were having a Concorde you see


2734:That's for carving the chicken


2735:You can have another one <pause>


2736:Who didn't give it a stir


<unclear >


2737:Me


<unclear >


2738:those are nice


2739:It's all at the bottom


2740:in the microwave those sprouts are, did you put water on them?


2741:Tiny bit


<unclear >


2742:well not just a tiny bit, you put about half way up don't you Paul?
2743:You don't cover them in water <pause>


2744:Nice aren't they?


2745:Mm, they hold the flavour better don't they?


2746:Yeah, get the taste of the sprouts


<unclear >


2747:they must be good for you


2748:No it's a bit like pressure cooking ain't it?


2749:Yeah, we're under a lot of pressure, yeah


2750:Mm


2751:Who's going


2752:You're a cook?


2753:to visit grandpa this afternoon?


2754:Mm, mm


2755:Who's going this afternoon?


2756:I'll go


2757:I'll go this evening


2758:I'll go this afternoon


<unclear >


2759:taking me pack of cards this afternoon and a crib board


2760:Oh, I'll, I'll go with you this afternoon then

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2761:What to play crib?


2762:It's a

 <unclear > <pause>


2763:Who's going this evening then?
2764:Paul and I


2765:We, we could get a crib school going Tony

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2766:all bring their drips over and er God knows what <vocal desc=laugh>


2767:You might find he's very tired this afternoon


2768:Why?


2769:Well because they've had, instead of having this sleep, they'll, they'll have had their consultants round


2770:Mm, true


2771:so that you may find that father isn't up to it today <pause>


<unclear >


2772:he'd have missed this morning's siesta


2773:Can't he have a siesta in the evening?

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


2774:he can only have a siesta


2775:A siesta is an afternoon sleep


2776:afternoon sleep


2777:No it's not, it's just a sleep


2778:It isn't, a siesta is an afternoon sleep


2779:Oh it's just a sleep a siesta


2780:It's not


2781:a sleep taking during the day


2782:No it's not


2783:you can have a morning siesta


2784:I would say a siesta is


2785:an afternoon siesta


2786:a sleep afternoon


2787:Mm


2788:Granted, it's a sleep taken during the day <pause> cos you're naked


2789:You're wrong


2790:After he's had his lunch he might be sleepy <pause>


<unclear >


2791:it's only quarter past one well it's they, he'll be having his lunch now


2792:One fourteen and fifty nine seconds


2793:Mm, mm


2794:then he'll button down for a bit


2795:Mm, mm <pause>


2796:he was very sorry yesterday


2797:What?


2798:he decided to have liver


2799:And it wasn't mum's


<unclear >


2800:and he said it was horrible


2801:What was it?


2802:It was ox liver


2803:Oh yeah <pause> it's a bit sharp that ain't it?


2804:Mm, it's very strong ox liver


2805:You know that liver's very high in cholesterol


2806:No


2807:Is it?


2808:Mm, mm


2809:It should be

 <unclear > <vocal desc=laugh> <unclear >


2810:It shouldn't be high in cholesterol


2811:Cos they've been on about people


<unclear >


2812:all the


2813:Sugar goes into erm fat I think


2814:You don't, this is a much nicer meal, isn't it?


2815:Than what?


2816:Vice versa


2817:Yeah depends what it is


2818:Than yesterday


2819:What did we have yesterday?


<unclear >


2820:home cooking


<unclear >


2821:oh you and, you and Sally had the same, at the pub


2822:Pardon?


2823:How much did they charge you for that down the pub?


2824:I was disappointed in it


2825:I was disa


2826:Oh we weren't were we Ton?


2827:No


2828:He said he was surprised at all the things that


2829:Where we went was


2830:were high in fat is and he was surprised


2831:Well I'm sorry but where we went it was great

 <unclear >


2832:weren't it Tom?


2833:Well last time I went to that one it was okay


2834:There you are then


2835:weren't it?


2836:Mm


2837:but that, yesterday I was very disappointed


2838:Did you tell them?


<unclear >


2839:The first time we went


2840:We had a great meal


2841:we had a


2842:didn't we Ton?


2843:Yeah.
2844:What did you have?


2845:Well the first time we went when we went all together didn't we?


2846:We had erm, what did we have Tony?
2847:It was erm salt and vinegar crisps and a packet of pork scratchings

 <unclear >


2848:It was nothing unusual was it?


2849:No


2850:There wasn't anything unusual on the menu


2851:No, ours wasn't, was it?
2852:Ours wasn't, but what was there was good


<unclear >


2853:that's right


2854:Oh yes it was good wasn't it?


2855:so you'd expect it to be up to


2856:Some sort of standard


2857:Bernie's are about, usually very good


2858:Yeah some standard or other


2859:I was very, very disappointed


2860:Oh the service was poor wasn't it Paul?

 <unclear >


2861:I mean, I mean she brought the


2862:No she had a smiling face


2863:She, she was a very nice girl


2864:Mm, mm


2865:well she brought the meal and she, she had to go miles to get the sauce, didn't she?


2866:Yeah, she made it


2867:<vocal desc=laugh> She made it, mm


2868:cos about two minutes later she come back with it


2869:Just with the sauce where you'd think she took the order


2870:This chicken's good isn't it?
2871:Chicken's good isn't it?


2872:Mm


2873:It's beautiful chicken


2874:I think the carving bit's the best


2875:Oh I do, I think the carving's brilliant


2876:Only on the left hand side of the chicken

<;u who=PS50T n=3084> <vocal desc=laugh>


2877:Anything left?


2878:Let me think who did it


2879:I don't know erm


2880:Don't know


2881:this what we


<unclear >


2882:last night dad


2883:Mm, mm


2884:It's beautiful <pause> I love chicken


2885:It's good for you ain't it? <pause>


2886:It's a good meal


2887:This is a good time when you can't make rude noises <pause>

 <unclear > <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


2888:Mm, mm <vocal desc=humming>


2889:Throw us the bin


2890:Pardon?


2891:Throw us the bin <pause>

 <unclear > <pause>


2892:We should of done some more roasties for you shouldn't we?


<unclear >


2893:Are you hungry?


2894:Well they like roasties and I didn't realize <pause>


<unclear >


2895:sit there going ssss


2896:Ha


<unclear >


2897:oh, enjoyed that, good meal


2898:What we having for pudding?


2899:There's a tin of


<unclear >


2900:there's ice cream I bought them


2901:and ice cream


2902:Could I have erm, rice pudding?


2903:No


2904:Ah no


2905:Gonna have that tin of pears


2906:have that later


2907:and there's ice cream


2908:there's er, erm big tub of ice cream


2909:Put it in the bowl and bring the ice cream out so it can thaw.
2910:Tony does the pears you bring the ice cream


2911:Did you know the word Yorkshire pudding is in the English dictionary?


2912:Why?


<unclear >


2913:Yorkshire pudding <vocal desc=laugh>


2914:I think I'll have the rest of that please Paula, good <pause>


<unclear >


2915:Stanley go away, er, erm


<unclear >


2916:Yorkshire pudding didn't he?


2917:Did he?


2918:Yeah


2919:How did it go?
2920:Can't remember


<unclear >


2921:I don't know how it goes I've forgotten but it <pause> it's from the angels do the next thing, ha


2922:What? <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


2923:yeah, pancake day on Tuesday


2924:Next Tuesday?


2925:Mm, we all make pancakes


2926:Right, we're all gonna make pancakes


2927:When's pancake day?


2928:throw them up, catch them


2929:When is it?


2930:Have them for school


<unclear >


2931:we could have a trial run oh Paul's <unclear >


2932:Then we'll all have the school dinners


2933:Go away


2934:then in the afternoon we have pancakes for his pancake races


<unclear >


2935:a real good day


2936:Bet it, bet it goes flat on you though


2937:Shall we have a competition, ha, ha, ha <pause>


2938:No


2939:what's he having lemon put on yours


2940:just see who can be sick first I think


2941:Oh shut up


2942:Liver pancakes


2943:Who's eaten the most pancakes, oh


<unclear >


2944:maple syrup


2945:I had


<unclear >


2946:I had


<unclear >


2947:and I went green


2948:Oh there's a bird on the bird feeder


2949:Pardon?


<unclear >


2950:Pardon?


2951:Children can go in the kitchen and cook them


2952:Make a load in there


<unclear >


2953:how'd you know?


2954:Double checked it


<unclear >


2955:what about the chicken machine, what if they put


<unclear >


2956:no the automatic potato peeler


2957:It's good, it's lovely there


2958:Does the vicar come for the race?


2959:Have you invited him?


2960:Barry came last year, but


<unclear >


2961:I mean the vicar usually comes for the pancake race doesn't he?


2962:Oh, I


2963:Gives the pancakes his blessing


2964:Mm, oh it's


<unclear >


2965:just tradition

 <unclear >


2966:I don't know if they'll do that


2967:Really?


2968:We have pancakes for school dinner


2969:Ah, but don't make them


2970:No because there's three hundred people in the school


2971:Children to dress up in little


2972:Pancakes


2973:mop caps and


2974:We have Easter bunny come to our school


2975:Well yours are silly


2976:Hide the Easter eggs


2977:Easter bunny


2978:Hides Easter eggs, Easter bunny


<unclear >


2979:does somebody dress up as an Easter bunny?


2980:No


2981:I could just see it <vocal desc=laugh> a local farmer coming out with his gun


2982:Ooh ah


2983:ah I've got it, bang


2984:Easter bunny


2985:You hide all the eggs and the


<unclear >


2986:no, no, I do


<unclear >


2987:Pauline and Pat climb out the window

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2988:hide the eggs


2989:What eggs are they?


2990:Climb out the window


2991:and the telephone go


2992:and then you climb back in


2993:and then you climb back in and then the telephone goes

 <vocal desc=laugh>


2994:said these


2995:oh God just see it <vocal desc=laugh>


2996:and then they go, the kids go out and look for them


<unclear >


2997:who, who telephones?


2998:Anybody we can get


2999:I'll telephone


3000:Why don't you just dial <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


3001:I'll telephone you Paula


3002:and then that re and that just phones itself up


3003:Oh does it?


<unclear >


3004:does it cost you anything then?


3005:No


3006:No


3007:Oh <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number"> there you are

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


3008:And you phone up and it goes hello Mr bunny oh


<unclear >


3009:You wanna see, the kids'll see you dialling


3010:It's Bugs Bunny


3011:No they won't, they'll just hear the tone, tone


3012:the Easter bunny has arrived

 <unclear >


3013:Well if you, if you dialled and put it down and walked away from it then it rings, oh


3014:No, I'm in the hall and the telephone rings in the office


3015:Oh they hear it ringing do they?


3016:and they bring telephone through


3017:So the, so the door's slightly open, so they can hear the, oh, oh what a surprise, oh


3018:oh


3019:it is the Easter bunny talking to me


<unclear >


3020:do you think your mother, your grandma should dress up with a mop on the back


3021:top drawer, top drawer, bottom drawer, middle drawer, well I don't know


3022:a bobble on her, on her back <vocal desc=laugh>


3023:You just get out the path, you just get down the school path

 <unclear >


3024:All these kids are growing up, yeah, thinking there's this bunny dropped eggs, Easter eggs all over the place


3025:Well I can remember my


<unclear >


3026:my grandchildren coming to our house


3027:The national curriculum has nothing on her


3028:can't you Paul?
3029:And grandpa lifting you up


3030:Oh yes and the cuckoo clock you used to


3031:and setting the cuckoo off

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3032:The cuckoo clock used to lay Cadbury's Creme Eggs yeah


3033:Do you know, do you know what we did with that, that Cadbury's Creme


3034:What?


3035:we gave it to Tony


3036:Really?


3037:He couldn't eat it


3038:Oh what a pity, he's, Paula you're dribbling


3039:Er


3040:er


3041:And what happened?


3042:Oh can't you remember these coming to our house?


3043:Oh yeah, yeah


3044:Well


<unclear >


3045:thing is too, at Christmas we used to have the erm, when we lived in Buxton we used to have the front bedroom where they, do you remember Paul, and the bay underneath it?
3046:Yeah


3047:yeah


3048:and we used to hang out of there on, on a long, long string all these bells and jangle them on Christmas Eve oh yeah, yeah


3049:Oh we used to do this at home


3050:yeah and er oh Santa's here and that, God


3051:Well, grandpa used to do this with these, when they were little


3052:I, I used to throw a handkerchief through the door, do you remember that?


3053:No


3054:Oh yes


3055:Do you remember that?


3056:you used to think that there were


3057:I had magic, I could throw a handkerchief through the door


3058:I remember Paul putting out all the plate for the reindeer


3059:Oh yeah, the carrots, the mince pies


3060:Carrots, mince pie and the


3061:Don't swing on your chair otherwise you'll break your neck


<unclear >


3062:oh that was rather a nice thing to do though for Easter


3063:What break your neck?


3064:What break your neck? <vocal desc=laugh>


3065:No, for, for Easter


3066:<vocal desc=laugh> Break your neck


3067:What an Easter bunny?


3068:Mm, an Easter bunny, now


3069:So you have an Easter bunny coming do you?


3070:We have pancake game, we do all the traditions, pancake


<unclear >


3071:I tell you another thing they do


3072:What about harvest time, do you have all the traditions then?


3073:We only have harvest


<unclear >


3074:do you, do you burn somebody in the


3075:In the stew


3076:in the man, in the big man?


3077:Throw them out


3078:You don't want a


3079:Put a, put a


<unclear >


3080:all the traditions, nothing like the good old days


3081:Another, another thing you can do for Easter, another thing is, er you can go back to the old tradition of the pay sex


3082:The what?


3083:The pay sex


3084:Rolling them down the hill?


3085:Yeah, rolling them down the


3086:Anybody seen the tin opener?


3087:Yeah it's in the bathroom drawer


3088:Bottom drawer


3089:It's right in the bottom drawer


3090:Oh


3091:It's where it shouldn't be


3092:The, sorry, er, you know the pay sex

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3093:You boil the


3094:What?


3095:Sounds stupid <vocal desc=laugh>


3096:you boil eggs you know ordinary eggs


3097:Hand me the plates


<unclear >


3098:go on you go and get me a spoon


3099:and you roll them down the hill


3100:In, in onion skins


3101:Yeah


3102:and then you colour them or you could use er


3103:Did you know


3104:chenille


3105:if you want to dye wool, onions are a great dye for dyeing wool


3106:Yeah, you want to see Hilary's


3107:Dye


3108:dyes, they're on plastic, do you know what she does, she gathers all the plants and herbs


3109:Mm, yeah that's right


3110:and she brought up, she had a bag as big as a bin liner


3111:Yeah


3112:she'd been up to Scotland


3113:Oh well done son


3114:and she got enough different colours


3115:Where, where'd she get them from?


3116:She just goes er walking over the moors


3117:Wild flowers


3118:No


3119:How many


3120:No


3121:how many people walking


3122:Or people's gardens


3123:No


3124:use grasses


3125:Yeah, you can get some cracking colours


3126:Oh hers are fabulous


3127:How many people want them?
3128:I've only got four


3129:and she


3130:Hold on, the lad wants to know, he's talking to you


3131:How many people want, do you want


3132:I only want ice cream, thanks


3133:Mum?


3134:You'll have a pear


3135:Yes


3136:Dad?


3137:Have a pear


3138:Put that away we don't want it


3139:yes we have


3140:that's gotta go in the box


3141:a pear


3142:Can we have a couple of spoons, yes Tony just a couple


3143:Take the


3144:That goes in the box Paul


3145:take the plates to the dishwasher


3146:No she


3147:Those are soups


3148:first of all she


3149:I know


3150:she spins her wool, she gets one and, and does her own spinning and weave and then she dyes


<unclear >


3151:Philip, you're nearly finished


3152:Yeah take it that way


<unclear >


3153:take


<unclear >


3154:fourth time, please will you take the


3155:and she


3156:Hold on just a moment


3157:Ah, he wants a pear, another plate please


3158:does anybody want, do you want


3159:Yes please


3160:Who doesn't want?


3161:Nobody, everybody wants


3162:Well then somebody's gonna be short here cos we only got five


3163:Bring another bowl


3164:I only want one pear I don't want two


3165:It doesn't matter


3166:He only wants


<unclear >


3167:can you get a bowl


3168:Oh I thought it was pears you were short of


3169:No


3170:Not short of pears


3171:a couple, a couple of pears here


3172:And she dyes all her er


<unclear >


3173:wool and she's got the most


3174:Here take these


3175:fabulous colours


3176:Really?


3177:Yeah, I'll


3178:Put the kettle on


3179:I think


<unclear >


3180:and er, things like that


3181:The, what was the one that was very unusual

 <unclear >


3182:That was spot on


3183:There was two


<unclear >


3184:what they expect them to be


3185:Yeah, beetroot


3186:Yeah, yeah, done that


3187:beetroot


3188:I did this with a group of children years ago in erm, in Buxton


3189:I did it when when we went to camp while we went


3190:Yeah


3191:we laid, we all laid on our own


<unclear >


3192:yeah, off you go


3193:Thank you


3194:Away


3195:Rolling, rolling, rolling


3196:If that's Philip's just a small


3197:Right


<unclear >


3198:The ice cream, did you know ice cream


3199:I


3200:is the most common way of catching salmonella?


3201:Yes


3202:Especially after eating chicken

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3203:Oh you tell us Paul won't you?


<unclear >


3204:and bouncy ice cream that bounces around


3205:Bouncy ice cream


3206:it's even worse


3207:Ice cream Paul


3208:Put another spoonful on there


<unclear >


3209:I don't want it, if that's mine, I don't want any juice


3210:Right, you don't


3211:No <pause>


3212:Do you want some more ice cream?


3213:Yeah another spoonful please <pause> brilliant


3214:That's Philip's


3215:Oh he doesn't want ice cream


3216:Doesn't want ice cream


3217:You don't want anything else on there do you?


3218:Oh yes I wanted ice cream


3219:Oh, I've only got five


3220:Ice cream on that


3221:dad I brought five


3222:Five what?


3223:Five what?


3224:Erm


3225:Your bowl?


3226:There aren't six, one, two, three, four, one, two, three, four, oh


3227:It's magic that


3228:I ain't got a bowl


3229:it's magic that


3230:Does anybody want more juice?


3231:No ta


3232:No


3233:There's more juice


3234:Ah, it's magic


<unclear >


3235:Paul do you want some more juice?


3236:Yes please


3237:Go on, that's enough, yeah oh


3238:Yeah


3239:fill it up


3240:fill her up


3241:er, he had a


<unclear >


3242:We ought to start speaking in Spanish so the people who read this dictionary don't understand it <vocal desc=laugh>


3243:Oh, my God


3244:I don't think it's actually

 <unclear >


3245:Erm Tony can I have your, do you want some more juice?


3246:Er, ah, yeah please


3247:Erm pass it down then

 <unclear > <vocal desc=laugh>


3248:Teapot


3249:Is that enough ice cream now?


3250:That's plenty, loads


3251:Put the lid on, put that back in the erm freezer top


3252:Be it Cornish

 <unclear > <pause>


3253:Did you put the kettle on as well Paul?


3254:No

 <unclear > <pause>


3255:Right


3256:No it's funny though, I'm, colours come up totally different don't they?


3257:Mm, what you'd expect


3258:Yes


3259:Yeah, when you do your own dyeing


3260:your dyeing


3261:you know, plant that you pick and you think what's that gonna be


3262:Berries and


3263:Red and it turned out black


3264:green


3265:She does things out of the garden like sage and thyme


3266:And rosemary


3267:and parsley and


3268:What's the national flower of England, the, the, the one that used to be on the thruppenny bit?


3269:Thistle


3270:Thistle


3271:No, not, not the thistle the


3272:Portcullis

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3273:Not wattle, it's er


<unclear >


3274:It used to be a thistle on the little thruppenny


3275:It wasn't it, thistle's the Scottish one, it's that round, the frown with the round head and


<unclear >


3276:a thistle


3277:That wasn't a thistle on a thruppenny bit


3278:Are you sure?


3279:Go and get one of the old thruppenny bits


3280:I'm eating my


<unclear >


3281:It's not a thistle it's a er


3282:A rose


3283:No it's not the rose


3284:Portcullis


3285:Daffodil


3286:A petunia


3287:Cabbage

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3288:It's a wild flower


3289:It's a wild flower


3290:A daisy, a nettle


3291:Is it thrift?


3292:Thrift


3293:I don't know what a thrift is


3294:We've got a


<unclear >


3295:as far as I know a thrift to be a large mongoose inhabiting the


3296:Mm


3297:upper


<unclear >


3298:well don't eat it so quickly


3299:I'm not eating it quickly at all, it's just catching a filling every time I eat it.


<unclear >


3300:Don't eat it, don't eat


3301:I think Cornish ice cream is delicious


3302:Especially as it melts and forms a


<unclear >


3303:don't you think Tony?


3304:This Cornish ice cream?


3305:Mm, not as nice as


3306:Eldercar


3307:Eldercar's ice cream is brilliant


3308:Who's Eldercar?


3309:It's, it's


3310:Just made out of cream and fruit, nothing else


3311:it's


<unclear >


3312:and no additives


3313:Mm, this one's lovely


3314:Got wobbles in it?


3315:Bubbles, bubbles


3316:Wobble, wobble banana


3317:You ain't tasted nothing yet


3318:Can you buy it anywhere?


<unclear >


3319:from the corner shop, oh no where else, no, no


3320:You can't buy it


<unclear >


3321:that's what I mean, can you buy it anywhere? <pause>


3322:You have it, it's beautiful <pause>


<unclear >


3323:Are you take it to ho <pause> the hospital?
3324:For grandpa


3325:What?


3326:And supposing it melts and we have to


3327:No


3328:No he means the


3329:the recording stuff


3330:the recording


3331:Mm <pause>


3332:You can tell him that joke can't ya?


3333:What joke?


3334:Which joke's that one?
3335:Oh aye yes


<unclear >


3336:you start laughing


3337:Keep it clean


3338:no


3339:What's the Irish contraceptive?
3340:You know what it was?


3341:We've heard it don't


3342:Don't


3343:Oh no we've heard it


3344:Right then


3345:no we don't


3346:no, no, no


3347:Just say it quietly so that the people can get the joke


3348:It's not very nice

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3349:It's funny


3350:it's not very nice


3351:it's funny though


3352:No it's not you're right <pause> <vocal desc=laugh>


3353:It's about as good as your erm


3354:Everybody in the ward was laughing about erm, what you call it?


<unclear >


3355:erm, what, Only Fools and Horses


3356:Oh yeah


3357:That was on was it?


3358:If anything he seemed to be a bit more brightly yesterday overall weren't he?


3359:Mm


3360:Did you not take it away with you on your weekend away?


3361:No <pause> going up erm


3362:Oh


3363:anything could happen to him


3364:Yeah that's

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3365:interesting conversation possibly


3366:Yeah


<unclear >


3367:interesting recording bits half way up Snowdon


3368:Mm, that was delicious


3369:Mm, it was


3370:It


<unclear >


3371:just imagine doing this in the weather that we had, God, up to here, wind and rain


3372:Right whose pears are those Paul?
3373:Those are nice, I want some pears


3374:Tea or coffee mother?


3375:Coffee mother


3376:Tea or coffee father?


3377:Both


3378:Nothing thanks


3379:Nothing


<unclear >


3380:right


3381:Do you want a cup of tea Philip?


3382:Tea please


3383:Did you hear about the Scout Club?


3384:What?


3385:Makes


<unclear >


3386:oh no


3387:Who's had a mixture of tea and coffee, you?


3388:Yeah, Scout Club, it's delicious


3389:Oh God


3390:Oh that was


<unclear >


3391:weren't it?


3392:Have ya, have that er maybe tried it, it's really nice


3393:Hot or cold?


3394:Hot


3395:Sugared and milked?


3396: sug sugared and milked, yeah


3397:Ooh


3398:Paula, Paula


3399:make them mixed


3400:Yes love


3401:Tony wants


3402:Tea and coffee mixed


3403:tea, coffee mixed


3404:With milk and sugar


3405:milk and sugar, it's lovely


3406:You've all got

 <unclear > <pause>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3407:You know


3408:Winding your mum up <vocal desc=laugh>


3409:You know at the camp, it's going, are you going again this year, the one you went to up the road?


3410:Which one up the road?


3411:Up on the, on the main road at that big house you went <pause>


3412:When?


3413:when was it last year or the year before?


3414:Oh I don't remember


3415:Oh we k we went to have a look at them in


<unclear >


3416:in the


3417:Oh, that's not up the road it's Hertford


3418:Hertford


3419:Hertford


3420:Yeah


<unclear >


3421:it's down the road, it's not up the road at all, it's down the road, it's miles away, up the road


3422:It didn't seem miles away

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3423:with a big house <vocal desc=laugh>


3424:Tell you what walk it and you'll find that


3425:There's no big houses


3426:I thought there was a big house in the grounds


3427:Where was it Tony the one near Woodbridge that one?


3428:Yeah


3429:Yeah the one in er


3430:Oh we went past the farm up to it, there's a farm on the left


3431:Tiny ho farm shop


3432:Oh I don't


3433:where you got the water from?


3434:up the ground, that


<unclear >


3435:grounds and a big house


3436:Oh there's a what you call it at the end, the old folks' retirement home isn't there


3437:Oh <pause>


3438:somebody's formed a country residence


3439:If you boil up that chicken carcass we'll have some of grandma's soup


3440:Ah


3441:with suet dumplings


3442:But we'll have some carrots


3443:I'll send Tony to the shops


3444:and some leeks


3445:You can get those out the guinea pigs cage


3446:Well I'll sent Tony to the shops he can buy


3447:get the car they wouldn't of eaten all the carrots yet


3448:It's, they're closed today


3449:It's not


3450:Thursday


3451:it's not closed today


3452:Mum, mum says there is


3453:Wednesday


3454:Wednesday it's closed


3455:Well what day is it today?


3456:Thursday


3457:Sunday


3458:Yes


3459:Oh it's Thursday oh good


3460:I'll tell Ton I send you to the shop, you get a frozen packet of


3461:Yeah


3462:stew vegetables and you just shove those in and that's it


3463:Oh I don't I get fresh carrots and leeks and


3464:You should do, you should do, yeah get something like that Tony


3465:Yeah, but then it saves you getting all the bits and


3466:That's a proper job though isn't it mother?
3467:Do it that


3468:And


3469:way, yeah, but if he gets fresh, a bit of fresh some fresh leeks and fresh


3470:It's alright


3471:you won't get vegetables in, in


3472:no


3473:I don't


3474:How about going to


<unclear >


3475:They're even worse


<unclear >


3476:Don't swing on your chair you'll break your neck


3477:The trouble is during the week, a lot of little shops only have what's been left over from the weekend <pause> and their vegetables, cos that's what happens at ours


3478:Mm, yeah


3479:and then on the Friday


3480:You get a fresh lot in


3481:a fresh lot in


3482:If you get


3483:When did you get that vase?
3484:Or when did we get that vase?


3485:That was from erm Sharon


3486:Was it?


3487:Sharon


<unclear >


3488:it's very nice innit?


3489:Er


3490:You're not eating again are you?
3491:God


3492:I just fancy a biscuit


<unclear >


3493:Tony your tea, coffee here


3494: Sha er is Sharon still going around


3495:Is that tea and coffee?


3496:there, there isn't enough milk in it

 <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3497:Oh these are nice


3498:Are they?


3499:Mm


3500:What are they?


3501:Bites


3502:Bites


3503:Computer biscuits


3504:Mm, they're ever so nice


3505:What are they made of?
3506:<pause> Caramel


3507:Mm


<unclear >


3508:are they

<unclear >


3509:They're horrible


3510:They're caramel


3511:they're horrible


3512:Oh they're beautiful, I like, do you like them Tony?


3513:You could hold tiles on a wall with these things

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


3514:Cor, very poor


3515:No just get a packet of stew vegetables


3516:Yeah


3517:a packet of


3518:It looks more like tea now, it looked like coffee before


3519:what's it called suet


<unclear >


3520:What?


3521:a packet of suet, and then I can make


3522:Soup


3523:soup, chicken soup


3524:Ooh packet of suet


3525:Don't you like


3526:Don't you like suet puddings


<unclear >


3527:don't you like dumplings?


3528:I like dumplings but I don't like fat

 <vocal desc=laugh>


3529:I'll skim the fat off


3530:Better watch that Paul you'll pull all your fillings out


3531:First of all boil it and then let it


<unclear >


3532:they're horrible


<unclear >


3533:Safeway Bites, best before the ninth of May


3534:Are you going tonight?


3535:I'll go tonight


3536:Well I'll go with you


3537:nine, two


<unclear >


3538:oh, right, am I going on my own this afternoon?
3539:Anybody come with me to the hospital


3540:I'll come with you and


3541:I'll go tomorrow


3542:You're alright, you can go tonight with Paula


3543:Let's have a look at the packet


3544:I'll go with ya


3545:Well have you got a lot of homework to do?
3546:<pause> Ton


3547:cos otherwise I'll


<unclear >


3548:well I, you're fresh for your homework now aren't ya?


3549:Yeah, alright


3550:Well if Tony's going tonight


3551:you'll get more done


3552:with his mum, I'll come with you this afternoon


3553:If you want to, it's up to you


3554:We can all go this afternoon, we can all go tonight, makes no difference


3555:Well, you know I'm going to Mavis, in the soup, loop the loop


3556:All you have to do is put the chicken carcass in and leave it


3557:Yeah


3558:and then when you come in I can put the er


3559:I can make, skim it off


3560:put the vegetables in


<unclear >


3561:being as you've got, being as you're getting in er thingy vegetables


3562:You're not drinking tea and coffee mixed


3563:Why not?


3564:Oh my God


3565:What's wrong with that Paula


3566:Have you ever had tea and coffee in the vending machine?


3567:No, but what's wrong with it?
3568:What's wrong with it?


3569:Out the vending machine it's not proper tea to start with


3570:That's gonna spill if you're not careful


3571:Out of the vending machine out, out of a vending machine it's revolting


3572:It's not proper tea to start with


3573:it's


<unclear >


3574:it's coffee.


3575:Somebody was asking about this new


3576:Instant tea


3577:instant tea


3578:It's supposed to be brilliant innit?


3579:What's it made out of


<unclear >


3580:or what?


3581:Oh no, they wouldn't do that <pause>


3582:Not much


3583:What's it taste like Tony?
3584:Horrible


3585:Nice, he's, he's put too much tea in


3586:I'll tell you something it will replace


3587:Teabags


3588:Yeah


3589:No


3590:it will


3591:you can taste it


3592:It will not, it's too expensive


3593:It's not nice, it's not nice


3594:But the price will come down


3595:it's too expensive


<unclear >


3596:that's your opinion


3597:Remember when teabags came out?
3598:People said they'd never, never catch on, teabags


3599:Do you know those Oxo Granules


3600:Daft way of having a cup of tea just got used to it


3601:those are far more expensive then buying Oxos


3602:Only at the moment they are, in time they won't be, Paul stop swinging


3603:and they, they, they


3604:Remember what we were talking about this morning how things have changed in service in shops


3605:Yeah


3606:and that, it'll all happen


3607:Oh it'll happen


3608:You in time


3609:In your old age you'll be making yourself an instant cup of tea


3610:Look at coffee, how many people have


3611:They sell stamps don't they?
3612:Right


3613:I wouldn't be at all surprised


3614:but you've got to find the place there it could be at the other end a mile away couldn't it?


3615:Yeah


3616:The size of that place


3617:Yes, I don't know where it is <unclear >


3618:Oh father says it's er <pause> so far away from one end to the other <pause>


3619:See they use their, that, their room as a bedroom don't they?


3620:They use that room as a bedroom, I'm not with you


3621:That one there


3622:Which one?


3623:that room there with the window this one, look


3624:Chance to have a look, there


3625:Yeah there's a


3626:as a bedroom?


3627:yeah, you've got all the camp beds


3628:Ah they might have somebody to stay with them, have somebody to stay with them


<unclear >


3629:the only trouble this we need days and days and days and months or rain


<unclear >


3630:it's lovely but it's not doing us any good this


3631:Its too dry really, there's going to be a real water shortage still


3632:Yes


3633:a real calamity too because once the things dry up, the trouble is the, the water gets


<unclear >


3634:seen this lady


3635:What


3636:she dresses in some of the strangest things, sometimes she dresses in sailor's uniforms and big white <unclear >


3637:Really?


3638:coats on, yeah she walks all over the place


3639:Where does she live?


3640:I think it's <gap reason=anonymization desc=address> I think <pause> but I could be wrong


3641:And does she carry her clothes about with her or does she


3642:Just like that she walks and walks and, nights, morning any time of the day you can see her, no paths, you know what the roads are like


<unclear >


3643:all on her own.


3644:There used to be er, a lady that used to come in the cinema when I worked there, and she had a


<unclear >


3645:in fact not much bigger than that


3646:Yeah


3647:er, a shopping basket


3648:Yeah


3649:and she had all her clothes in it there


3650:Oh God look at the width of this thing


3651:she could always


<unclear >


3652:look at the width of it, God, ah, oh that lorry, get past it.


3653:<vocal desc=cough> She was always clean, you couldn't fault her for cleanliness, but I'm sure she must of either washed her clothes in the toilets, you know, wash basin in the toilets because that was the only thing she had was one bag <pause> and she used to, er, her pension book was in and er erm


3654:This is ridiculous this, this shouldn't be on the road.


3655:He should wait you know to ask


3656:Yeah but, how can he?
3657:If the width of it


3658:I know, it's dreadful that


3659:they're just too big for roads and this is a main road


3660:Well this is what the grumble about don't they?


3661:Who?


3662:in Northern this is the erm


3663:Oh the farmers, this is ridiculous


3664:this is the Northern


<unclear >


3665:you can't pass these


3666:Well it's the width of it


3667:Mm <pause>


3668:It's erm, oh God <pause>


3669:Well do you think that lady sleeps out?


3670:No I think she lay, I think it's


<unclear >


3671:I think, I've never seen her, there's a rumour you know how you get stories about people


3672:Yeah


3673:like this


3674:I mean there's


3675:Yeah


3676:We have a lot of oddities


<unclear >


3677:well she, she will, literally walks miles, she'll walk, you see her the other side of Stowmarket, seven miles, six, seven, eight, ten miles away


3678:It's madness


3679:all weathers all weathers


3680:it's


3681:as well


3682:They like it, they like that sort of a life


3683:Oh rumour has it that her husband was in the forces


3684:Yeah


3685:now this is an old rumour and er, he was an officer, er I think in the RAF and he had erm an accident his plane crashed and he died and this is why she dresses in military uniform all the time <pause> sort, you know she went a little bit deranged


3686:Yeah


3687:and that


3688:but sur she never got over it


3689:the shock of it never got over the shock of it though


3690:and yet you see these days they would give her treatment for that


3691:Well


3692:if she, er, er, no, at the beginning they would of given her treatment or something


3693:Oh she isn't that old


3694:Oh


3695:No


3696:I thought you meant during the war


3697:No, she's only in top twenties, early thirties


3698:Really?


3699:Yeah, that's all she is


3700:Oh I thought you meant


3701:No, no


3702:Oh


3703:Super jet, sixteen hundred, eighteen, Amazon, do we need things that big?


3704:Mind you see, when you think about it you see


3705:look at the size it's enormous


3706:some people they only live for their partner don't they and a thing like that get a


3707:Yes, yeah


3708:her husband getting killed is the end of the world and there's, there's nothing else sort of thing and <pause> they just <pause> it's very sad really, I mean if you're a young person you can quickly pull yourself together and realize that


3709:Mm, mm


3710:life goes on


3711:Yeah


3712:which you've got to do


3713:Yes


3714:I mean <pause> the way I'd look at it, would look at it if something of happened to John, well I still go


<unclear >


3715:and you've got to sort of well


3716:Yeah


3717:there's, there's nothing you can do about it when


3718:No


3719:you've had your life, smile and


3720:but


3721:that's it


3722:when me mum died everybody said oh your


<unclear >


3723:dad I'll be dead in, within a year, two years, he'll give up, he's got nothing you know


3724:Yeah


3725:he lived ten, twelve years was it after?


3726:Yeah


3727:No it wasn't, no ten years


3728:There's a, the person that took that words was your Moira


3729:Oh yeah, well she went a bit


<unclear >


3730:she went a bit over the top didn't she?


3731:Yeah


3732:With remorse


3733:Yeah


3734:It was unnatural


3735:and yet she was always treated as one of the, the family, but it's silly because you've done what you can when they're living.
3736:I mean Margaret next door to me she went over the top when she was


<unclear >


3737:all her sister's energy and thinking her sister should, I mean she had a sister living with her and her sister had her own family with her, er a Mongol son, well I'm afraid Margaret shouldn't of taken that attitude because she said ooh everywhere I go now there's only me, now that's being selfish, because she had three children <pause> and she shouldn't really of expected all her sisters to keep coming, they were living with her, you know


<unclear >


3738:never leave her alone


3739:Did she ever get over it?


3740:Well she


<unclear >


3741:when I left


3742:And was she getting over it with her, was she getting better?


3743:Well not really because she was still demanding


3744:Coping with that husband not being there


3745:too much of her relations


3746:Oh yes


3747:that's why


<unclear >


3748:Alice eventually said she'd buy our house after all that time and said, and said well she'd be right next door to her


3749:Yes


3750:but you're not fair to your own family which is even your own family gets first priority


3751:Oh yes


3752:I mean I wouldn't, wouldn't expect, I would expect Paula to


<unclear >


3753:you know you're the first priority and I


<unclear >


3754:support yes, but not


3755:Take over


3756:not demand all that


3757:Demand, yeah


3758:you know, you understand what I mean?


3759:I do, yeah


3760:Yeah <pause> and she used to say well, well I mean oh well they haven't got, they'll be able to have their holidays together and all this, oh yeah fair enough, it's their life <pause> no I think Margaret can be a little bit


<unclear >


3761:she really did


3762:But it did


3763:You see the trouble is with Margaret her husband had always done everything for her, she went out to work and he brought the, he more or less did his work, did overtime, everything and still managed to look after the boys


3764:How many children, was it three children you said?


3765:Three boys


3766:Three lads


3767:Yeah <pause> the eldest boy when his father died was eighteen


3768:Yeah


3769:the next one was sixteen


3770:Mm


3771:and the young boy was about thirte no he wasn't, yeah about thirteen yeah something like that


3772:Eighteen, eighteen, sixteen and thirteen


3773:Yeah <pause> well


3774:how did they take it then the lads?


3775:Well the eldest lad <pause> was alright, but the middle lad he became a bit of a problem


3776:Sixteen year old


3777:by er, mind you they'd always been children that had had to fend for themselves a lot, the only sad thing


3778:Mm, mm


3779:that their own


<unclear >


3780:Margaret used to be working she worked nights as well


3781:Come on get a move on


3782:you know


<unclear >


3783:he's gonna cause chaos this guy, he's gonna pull in front of this lorry, watch


3784:Mm, she worked and she worked night shift as well, you know they had to do alternative shifts, so consequently


<unclear >


3785:sort of kept the house and the family going sort of thing


3786:The day to day jobs, yeah


3787:everything, the cooking, the lot


3788:Yeah


3789:I mean Margaret used to come in and everything was done for her, I mean she never had to do a thing <pause> well that hit her terribly you see.


3790:Did she carry on working? <pause>


3791:Well she went on sick leave for a long time


3792:Yeah


3793:and er I don't think that was a good idea because she was lonely without all the


<unclear >


3794:Yeah, if you go, if you can get back to work


3795:Yeah


3796:you get into, it can help to get your mind off it during the day or alright at night you might be very lonely


3797:And she was at the cemetery every day with


3798:Ah, yeah, yeah


3799:flowers and


3800:Yeah


3801:I mean she had a picture of him on the headstone and oh, thought she went over the top I'm afraid and <pause> she get loads of support because then that Clifford was very popular and er his was


<unclear >


3802:yeah


3803:and er the men were very good.
3804:There was one man he used to come every week just to do <pause> see if there were any jobs that wanted doing and er he'd spend, you know, a day there you know doing anything she wants doing that she couldn't manage herself


3805:Right, did he work Clifford?


3806:He worked for the Electricity Board


3807:Electricity Board?
3808:<pause> What putting the correct


3809:Maintenance


3810:Maintenance on the


3811:Yeah


3812:on the faults on the


3813:but he was, the men that he worked with his friends were really good, you see and his sister, the youngest sister, Alice who she had, had the Mongol lad


3814:Yes


3815:well Clifford and her, her husband


3816:Yeah


3817:had grown up together


3818:Yeah <pause>


3819:now he took it very bad like as much as Margaret


3820:Yes


3821:because his best friend


<unclear >


3822:and he, and really Alice was supporting him as well as Margaret


3823:Mm


3824:through the crisis and she had a lot on her hands because he went to pieces and he had no other friend he had


3825:How did he go to pieces, when you say he went to pieces?


3826:He, he


3827:What did he do?


3828:Well he, his own idea was he'd lost his friend


3829:Yes


3830:he'd lost


3831:Yeah


3832:he'd lost everything


3833:Yes I can see that, but


3834:he was lonely


3835:how did he go to pieces?


3836:Oh well his health suffered and <unclear >


3837:Did he stop working or


3838:Yeah


<unclear >


3839:really?


3840:Yeah, oh it really knocked him for a burton, you see his, you see Clifford and him, with this boy that's had their, their, his son that was


<unclear >


3841:well Clifford would always integrate him in with his own family


3842:Yes


3843:If Clifford had, had er Alice husband went out


<unclear >


3844:yes


3845:the boys used to go out


3846:Yeah


3847:you know what I mean, football and things like that, he was always included in it.
3848:In a way he <pause> he was one of, you know


3849:One of the family


3850:he was one of the family


3851:Mm


3852:it was, it was very sad really


3853:Just shows you that, but death can be <pause>


3854:Oh yes


<unclear >


3855:death can show erm, people's dependency on each other


3856:Oh yes.


3857:that can really show it, can't it?


3858:Well they were, they were really dependent on, I mean on each other, they were a unit even though they were two families in a way


3859:Mm


3860:I mean it was only Margaret's sister, you see Margaret came from a large family, so there was always


3861:Plenty of people around


3862:plenty of people around


3863:Mm


3864:and unfortunately it was only about eight months before that she lost her mother, only her mother was the dominant feature of the family you see she kept them all together


3865:I wonder what would of happened if she hadn't of died when she did


3866:Yeah


3867:and Clifford had, had died, I wonder how he'd of taken it then, perhaps sh you know they lost that


3868:Yeah the mother


3869:the helmsman as it were


3870:Yeah they lost everything really, but the father you see, he, he was pushed in the background, the old man <vocal desc=laugh>


3871:Poor chap


3872:I mean the old man was well in his seventies and he, he was secondary, you see he never even er, he, he didn't even come to the funeral, Clifford's funeral and Margaret was very bitter about that.


3873:And why was that?
3874:Why didn't he come, was he ill?


3875:I don't know


3876:Could of been


3877:I don't know but he could of been ill, he could, it could of been that he couldn't take any more you know that <pause> but Margaret was terri terribly bitter about him Margaret not coming, but he could, he couldn't stand it


<unclear >


3878:Yes you see funerals er, everybody likes a wedding don't they?


3879:Yeah


3880:Everybody loves weddings, dressing up, meeting and that, funerals, yeah alright we all get together again at funerals and the, after the coffin's gone in the ground and all that, that really high emotion point or once it's gone behind the erm curtains <pause> to be burnt, once you've gone through that there's that sort of erm


3881:Limbo


3882:limbo yeah, you're coming together again in the house or whatever you have, a reception, and you need to go through that to come to terms with it or you can, you can need to go through that, but some people can't take the pressure emotional pressure of, you know, all the, hour, two hours, three, four hours before that it just, they


3883:It, well then


3884:just can't take it, and I don't know how they cope with it afterwards


3885:they cope, I mean as far as they were concerned, as far as they were concerned they'd never seen such, the crematorium was packed, the people was all lined outside


3886:Yeah very popular chap


3887:and the, the he was very, very popular and they, and they


3888:Well you know when erm Scott erm died


3889:Yeah


3890:er, all, all his mates

 <unclear >


3891:all his mates


3892:and Paul and myself went up there didn't we?


3893:Yeah


3894:and, that was, it was


3895:it was


3896:it was like a football match crowd


3897:Yeah


3898:it was solid and it was all sort of, his age, fifteen, sixteen, seventeen, eighteen year olds and all vowing they're never gonna sniff whatever again, you know all making these


3899:Let's hope they don't


3900:pledges


3901:but you see with him you see, they, it was packed, the house before the wake was packed, because Margaret kept coming over when he was all dressed up in a suit and everything, I didn't, she asked me if, once to go, I just said no I would prefer to remember


3902:Yeah


3903:Clifford as he was, cos John had been in the hospital I think the day before he died


3904:Was it a heart attack, heart?


3905:Yeah it was, it, well what happened is, was, that he <pause> on Sun on the Sunday gone swimming with the boys in the morning


3906:Mm, mm


3907:and then they'd got us playing foot


<unclear >


3908:football in the main park and they came back


3909:He wasn't well that's right, no


3910:and Clifford, no Clifford said, the lads to each other are we going out again dad you know cos oh Margaret was in, yes, and there was some other boys, the boy across the road was eating something and the boys said and Clifford said do you mind if I just sit in the chair and be quiet for just a few minutes and he just sat in the chair and had his heart attack


3911:He must of been feeling unwell then


3912:Did, he was feeling a bit groggy, I suppose Arthur thought he was tired


3913:Yeah


3914:and er <pause> he said the lad across the road, the hardware shop, he did first aid so he started on him, on the, Clifford resuscitation with the


3915:Oh had he actually collapsed from his heart attack?


3916:Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, and then and Margaret called for the ambulance, I heard the slop and I heard, and then they put the dog out right away and I said, that's unusual of them, it was one of those tiny little miniatures you see


3917:What, they put it out where?
3918:Out in the back?


3919:Oh they put it outside in the garden


3920:Yeah


3921:and I said oh there's Benjy, there must be something, you know, I thought it was one of the kids that had jumped or something because the little one had always climbing and jumping off the wall, breaking his leg you know the weak one, and the next minute saw the ambulance outside, but he must of been, it must of been too massive to be able to do anything cos he wasn't breathing that bit you see


3922:Oh, it been gone too, stop breathing too long, yeah


3923:you could only go so, yeah and


3924:poor chap


3925:and say


3926:so they put him on a life support did they?


3927:Yeah from


<unclear >


3928:how long was he on the life support?


3929:er, er, something about he, in hospital about eight weeks


3930:Eight weeks on a life support?


3931:Yeah, he was on it some time and Charles and they'd put him back on the ward becau when John last saw him, cos he, John was visiting er, used to be having treatment or something at


<unclear >


3932:at the time


3933:Mm


3934:for something, I, I think he was going for his skin <pause>


3935:Yeah


3936:and he used to pop in you see


3937:Mm, mm


3938:but it was waste of time because he, he, he didn't know, he wasn't Clifford, well that's what he said to me, it's not Clifford you know


3939:It's just a body there then


3940:it's just a body there


3941:So he's on the life support right to the end


3942:Yes and the funny thing was I


3943:was he on that life support right till the end?


3944:Yeah, no, he was back on the wards


3945:Did, they took him, taken him off the life support?


3946:Yeah


3947:Could he talk and, no


3948:No


3949:No


3950:Oh the funny thing was about that was Margaret was with him


3951:That's his wife?


3952:Yeah


3953:Yeah


3954:now erm as well as much as she could she was never in the house and the day that he died she didn't get there on time


3955:Oh God


3956:Oh she wasn't


3957:well you can guarantee that can't ya?


3958:Yeah


3959:Sod's law


3960:she'd gone out, she'd just slipped out with Alice for something


3961:Maybe that sort of hit her as well I think


3962:Oh I think so


3963:you know


3964:after being in there all the time, but I mean, you, there's nothing you can do you can sit with somebody


3965:Ah that's it, maybe that starts to explain a bit more


3966:round the clock yeah


3967:how, why she took it so badly


3968:Oh she did she


<unclear >


3969:if I'd only been there when he died, I'd of hold his hands, blah, blah, oh God, poor lass


3970:She never did


3971:poor lass


3972:But she couldn't really what's er, er


<unclear >


3973:she couldn't of done any more


3974:No


3975:and she er she couldn't sort of feel guilty about it


3976:No, no


3977:I mean because she spent every, every bit of the time with him.


3978:But she, she won't see it like that will she?


3979:Well I told her that I get, I said to her look Margaret you could of been, you could of closed your eyes and he could of happened


<unclear >


3980:but it does happen non


3981:Mm, mm,


3982:you don't and you've not got to have any recre you know


3983:Recrimination


3984:recriminations about it because <pause> well <pause> it's maybe meant that way anyway <pause> you've taken enough, you, you've taken enough yourself haven't you?


3985:Mm, mm


3986:But I mean there was er, they were so kind to them in the hospital if there would of been any sign of distress they would of, you know, usually anyway you don't usually have distress at the end you're usually at peace aren't you? <pause>


3987:Oh that's what it looks like <vocal desc=sigh> <pause> whether you are or not oh, oh


3988:Oh you might not


3989:oh look at this Union Jack and the oh my God


3990:Where?


3991:There


3992:Oh yeah, oh somebody


<unclear >


3993:oh the what you call it?
3994:The erm British Legion


3995:Oh yeah British Legion, was your father in the British Legion?


3996:No, use, use, used to go to the club, Legion club


3997:Was your father ever in the army?


3998:No he's down the pit


3999:Oh yes of course he was


4000:down the pit


<unclear >


4001:have <unclear >


4002:have you heard how Johnny is lately?


4003:No I've heard nothing, no


4004:Is it, the wedding


<unclear >


4005:according to Les yeah


4006:Oh


4007:but I don't know when, where, how, what or whatever I, it's up to him, ha, he's no longer


4008:How old is Arthur?
4009:Is he older than you?


4010:He's older than me oh he's a lot older, he's about fifty Johnny


4011:Is he?


4012:Yeah, hold on what am I, yeah he's coming up to fifty yeah, forty nine <pause>


4013:Is it, he was always good looking lad though your Johnny

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4014:well I reckon he was, I reckon your father was really good looking

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4015:don't you?


4016:My dad?


4017:Yeah


4018:Oh I take after him an'all in that


4019:Yeah I think your father was a good looking man


4020:Yeah, handsome sod <vocal desc=laugh> my God <pause> yes it was erm <pause> bit of blow that when me dad went


4021:Yeah


4022:but you see when you smoke all your damn life what do you expect?


4023:The ironic thing is you can't


4024:And he couldn't stop it, I, I never get over when the doctor said to him if I were you I wouldn't smoke, it'll do you good not to smoke, so he didn't, and he stopped it


4025:Yeah


4026:just like that <pause> crazy after what, forty odd years of smoking he stopped it just like that, and then when the doctor said when he'd been, after he'd got the results back, you know, all the, all the ones they do at the hospital then


4027:Aye


4028:obviously it was no good he, you could smoke like a chimney it made no damn difference the state his insides were


4029:Yeah


4030:his lungs were then


4031:Oh <unclear >


4032:and when he said er, you know he said you know well, er, you like a cigarette the doctor said, yeah, and my dad was so proud of this, you wanna cigarette yeah, you can smoke if you're, there you are and he said it, it wasn't the cigarettes <vocal desc=sigh>

 <unclear >


4033:God it wasn't the cigarettes


4034:John always says the doctor says he's got er he's got


4035:He's got to stop


4036:he's gonna take it


4037:Yeah, yeah you see and he's stopped


4038:No he's got it, no but he's gonna, start again if everything, they told him that it, he, he had no chance he said


4039:Yeah, I don't blame him


4040:he said er


4041:I don't blame him at all


4042:I'd die I think


4043:Yeah that's it

 <unclear >


4044:mind you the trouble is it's alright in saying that but you see I've got a bad chest, Philip's got a bad chest


4045:All God's children got a bad chest


4046:and the trouble is, no


4047:What?


4048:that the trouble is it affects us you see


4049:We're alright


4050:Yeah I know


4051:we're go round with masks on can't you?


4052:Oh aye, yeah


4053:Eh up, we've gotta


4054:Ooh the house is, smells


<unclear >


4055:no


4056:Oh aye, it might


4057:you don't, you don't know what you're missing


4058:Ooh, I, don't you start again with


4059:No thanks <vocal desc=laugh>


4060:Oh exactly


4061:I don't like Park Drive <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4062:good for you, keeps the moths out the house


4063:But surely the taste


<unclear >


4064:it's horrible, ah, well I think it's horrible


4065:It keeps the moths out <pause>


4066:I can't stand going in a, you see, that's one of things I would never go out to dos for cos I


4067:Because of the smoke


4068:I couldn't stand the smoke


<unclear >


4069:he used


4070:There


<unclear >


4071:Okay?
4072:Oh he's alright, he is, <vocal desc=tut> <pause> who's gonna come looking?


4073:Honestly Arthur there's, there, I'll have those, give me those back


<unclear >


4074:draw the curtains round <pause>


4075:Oh he's going in the toilet, they're better, that's a nicer colour <vocal desc=laugh>


4076:Yes, give me those


<unclear >


4077:were you never a Girl Guide? <vocal desc=laugh> <pause> <vocal desc=laugh>


4078:I'm embarrassed.


4079:I'm not embarrassed.


4080:I am.


4081:Why?


4082:Well the nurse is here


4083:I think they see a lot, they see everything the nurse's mother


<unclear >


4084:<vocal desc=laugh> What is it, if you've got it, flaunt


4085:He's, he's, what do you call it?
4086:Pardon?


<unclear >


4087:he's alright, it's okay


<unclear >


4088:yeah, it's alright, completely, I wouldn't do it if it was illegal, don't worry <pause>


4089:The only thing is Philip's gonna have to be careful


<unclear >


4090:well somebody'll have to drive him there


<unclear >


4091:about what?


<unclear >


4092:about getting home movies


<unclear >


4093:he's a great fan


<unclear >


4094:yeah, might be an idea though, well we'll see what's, what happens with the


<unclear >


4095:nothing to be ashamed of yourself

 <vocal desc=laugh>

 <unclear >


4096:Oh God, no


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


4097:Go on what's that


<unclear >


4098:nothing's happening <pause>


<unclear >


4099:I suppose they could send me out tomorrow


4100:oh God


4101:That's what I said to ya, I said this, tomorrow possibly


4102:Yeah


4103:cos if they've got everything under control they'd want it, what else can they do?


4104:It's all under control now


4105:It might be rest they might think


4106:It might be


<unclear >


4107:they might keep you in for a longer rest


4108:I don't think they will though, because they've given me that already


4109:Oh


4110:this is the second bite this is it


4111:Oh I see


4112:I've had the first one


4113:Oh


4114:think


4115:I could wait another forty eight hours while you wait results of that one you see


4116:Yes


4117:I'm off all me pills now


4118:All of them?


4119:Well


<unclear >


4120:except the pills they give you in these places just to keep you quiet


4121:You er


<unclear >


4122:can give ya, so that you can sleep


4123:Let's have a, let's have a look at your list, see what you've er


<unclear >


4124:stop, stop


4125:Alright <pause>


<unclear >


4126:getting on, getting on


4127:Well if you were going to come for me you've got to drive and that and he's still not up yet today, so I, I have to get Arthur to draw some money


4128:Yeah


4129:and I think it might be better if he hasn't


<unclear >


4130:maybe if, if he's


<unclear >


4131:he would


<unclear >


4132:yes


<unclear >


4133:when he's suggested you go back to bed


4134:Because they cou they have to


4135:No I say,


<unclear >


4136:shh, shh


4137:There's a possibility


4138:There's a possibility


4139:that's a possibility


4140:they'll, they'll come and visit if I go back with Philip and


<unclear >


4141:yes because they'll see to it


4142:Yeah


4143:see to your visiting


4144:We can bring you back at home or if they insist that you go back in an ambulance, you may, they may not put you back home you know, have you thought of that?
4145:They might put you into Southwold


4146:I know, I mean, I mean it's the same thing isn't it?


4147:Yeah, but they might do that


4148:Oh well, if they put you in Southwold I'm alright


4149:I doubt it


4150:I doubt it, but they might do that


4151:Yes, if they put him into Southwold I'm alright


4152:you're not, you're not gonna be in here much longer, that's a fact isn't it?


4153:Mm


4154:No


4155:So


4156:that's a fact


<unclear >


4157:have you seen the weather out there, it's gorgeous ain't it?


<unclear >


4158:did you watch it yesterday?


4159:Some of it yeah


4160:I saw a bit of it


<unclear >


4161:brilliant man


4162:Brilliant


4163:I thought


<unclear >


4164:he only last one lap didn't he?


4165:Yeah, why I didn't see that, I only saw one bit of it, tiny bit


4166:Red one last


4167:Yeah, the British lad, the English lad, Aussies, they're all the same these Aussies


4168:The conversation


<unclear >


4169:no I think the more sensible idea is to get


<unclear >


4170:he's on soundings


4171:Is he also adding sugar to him


4172:I tell you what he does need, see a doctor


4173:Ah


4174:he does need to see a doctor


4175:I don't mean erm what's his name, cos he's abroad isn't he? erm <pause> what's the guy's name? <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


4176:Mm


4177:he wants to see a doctor, otherwise he's just gonna, he's not gonna get any better is he?


4178:Neither of them are gonna get better, I mean you've been in here all this time and he hasn't been up yet


4179:Yeah


4180:so, the biggest one is to get him


<unclear >


4181:yeah


4182:and to get that


<unclear >


4183:yeah


<unclear >


4184:he drove me over


<unclear >


4185:yeah, I know <pause>


4186:Yeah, that's a point innit?
4187:I needn't of brought her


4188:I mean, yeah, but how can I go out without the car that's the trouble, but many car drivers


4189:It's not been out the house other than last night


4190:How, but you, they're, they've done all the shopping


4191:Yes I know they have, yeah


4192:I mean they've done all the shopping and how can I manage without the car?


4193:Well you won't be able to


<unclear >


4194:well


<unclear >


4195:what?


<unclear >


4196:how's that, has it got rockets on the back? <vocal desc=laugh>


4197:I don't know I think it's a sensible idea


4198:Wings on it


4199:for


<unclear >


4200:get in his house, see what happens, get that


<unclear >


4201:yeah


4202:he's still, he's still got his antibiotics to finish


4203:Yeah


4204:Mm


4205:he finishes them on Monday and if he's no better by then, cos nobody

 <unclear >


4206:Well he will be he's gonna be, he is better now than he was cos them antibiotics are working


4207:Yeah well give them till he's finished the antibiotics


4208:Yeah, well, what but, but I'm saying is it's not the antibiotics it isn't the


4209:It's just not the


<unclear >


4210:that


4211:he wants something to, he wants something


4212:he wants , he wants somebody looking at him and saying well


4213:there's something, something going on that leg all the time like a pain or something like it


4214:he wants, he wants X-ray or something like that

 <unclear >


4215:just to see what on earth it's like in there


4216:He's like , he's, he's like, he's like, he wants to be in here


4217:Well not this place but somewhere


4218:Yeah, well, you see, but if he, the thing is, if he, he, he seems as if he is carrying a weight, a terrible weight all the time


4219:Well that, what are antibiotics gonna do?
4220:Nothing at all


4221:Mm, mm


4222:about that


4223:you see the, the doctor doesn't, the doctor that came out doesn't know his case and, well I don't think


<unclear >


4224:and I think to have it, say watch Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">, Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> you, if he's not here, he's not here and you've got to do something


<unclear >


4225:I can't, he can't,


4226:Could he


4227:I can't see


4228:see you can't


4229:You can't go and see


<unclear >


4230:it's too far away


4231:Well it's, they've plenty of people here


<unclear >


4232:so you've got, yeah <pause> and if, the longer it goes on, the more


4233:I mean if possible that he can't be any better


4234: mi yeah, it's a possibility but until somebody actually says no, you don't know


<unclear >


4235:when he went to Liverpool the guy there did nothing for you did he?


<unclear >


4236:it was a waste of time it was a waste of a journey for Philip and it was too much for him


4237:Well, he, it's not that far away and it's, if he's in here and they can see to him, fair enough, or they might be able to point him in a different direction, a better direction <pause>


4238:So it's, you've got to see somebody


4239:Yeah


4240:It's just to get


<unclear >


4241:can't go on like this


4242:Oh no


4243:crazy to


4244:getting worse, he's been going


<unclear >


4245:oh


4246:He hasn't as a matter of fact


4247:it's just bed and


<unclear >


4248:yeah can get in


<unclear >


4249:I thought what's that digging in until I realized what it was


4250:Oh all the time you've been


4251:Yeah


4252:He doesn't need to see, see a dermatologist


4253:Who?


4254:Well one of those


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4255:or other


<unclear >


4256:a lum lumbatologist no, no, yeah cos all he's doing is just lying there


4257:He's just lying


4258:eating


<unclear >


4259:but it


4260:It's ten o'clock this morning before they


<unclear >


4261:report on what?


4262:On what Arthur's doing


4263:What's that?


4264:wind bag


4265:<vocal desc=laugh> Who's the wind bag?
4266:Blow out <pause>


4267:You're the wind bag <pause>


4268:It's not in, you've lost it, there you are it's in that one <pause> can't find it? <pause>


4269:Cup of tea dear?


4270:Yes please <pause>


4271:One sugar?


4272:Er one please


4273:Two?


4274:Er one please


4275:One, sorry


4276:What's that?
4277:<pause> Don't be a Rodney and spend <pause> what, that's Archer isn't it?


4278:No, the other one


4279:Brian, a cup of tea? <pause>


4280:Lang lingo


<unclear >


4281:that looks like Jeffrey Archer


<unclear >


4282:Rodney's


<unclear >


4283:Jeffrey's, Jeffrey Archer, Jeffrey, don't be a Rodney and spend Jeffrey on a <pause> cat and bob, it's the Daily Mirror as well <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


4284:It's a new language


4285:Rodney's a plonker, yeah

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


4286:oh God, good though ain't it?


<unclear >


4287:is that what you're doing?


4288:I don't know


4289:Is it a side line what's


4290:No, no


4291:a bit of a side line on that


4292:No this is just to do with a


4293:Yeah


4294:a, a Rodney, yeah


4295:a Rodney


4296:don't be a Rodney it says, don't be a Rodney it says and spend a Jeffrey on a cat and bob, don't be a plonker and spend two thousand pounds that's what he played, paid to the prostitutes, do you remember?
4297:Yeah, just because you looked a nice girl was it? <vocal desc=laugh> on a cat and bob, somebody who gives you lots of promises and it's load of crap

 <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


<unclear >


4298:bimbo


4299:Bimbo


4300:why?


4301:Why?
4302:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> The favours, in lieu of favours given <vocal desc=laugh>


4303:Indeed, <vocal desc=laugh>


4304:Oh I


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4305:Oh


4306:You know you can


4307:just have, I look as if I'm


<unclear >


4308:mm, it's good though ain't it?


4309:It's good, it's the longest


<unclear >


4310:has it stopped, is it still splitting ah?
4311:Oh it is


4312:Yeah


4313:it is

 <unclear > <pause>


4314:Did you hear about that chap he did


4315:What's that?


4316:he did, James Watana, he did a one four seven break on TV the fastest ever


4317:Yeah


4318:and his father was shot out in erm is it Bangkok Tha out Thailand way


4319:Yeah


4320:and killed, his father's a gambler out there


<unclear >


4321:somebody came to settle up <pause> bang and he was playing thinking he'd just been wounded and in fact he'd been shot and killed, poor chap <pause>


4322:Is he still playing in


4323:Well if he don't he don't get the pennies does he?
4324:Don't do it you don't get paid <pause>


4325:Last chance by a clever


<unclear >


4326:time share


4327:At these prices


4328:at these prices, low season you can go for nine hundred and ninety five pounds <pause> mm <pause>


4329:There you are there's your mobility chair for you


4330:That's the one, yeah


4331:Oh, aye, that's the


<unclear >


4332:five forward gears, one reverse


4333:exact one Mary and I have talked about getting a twin one


4334:For what toy boy? <vocal desc=laugh>


4335:No we were thinking of getting


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4336:so we can travel together


4337:Sharing between you <vocal desc=laugh> where would you have him then?


4338:No, share


4339:Monday, Wednesday, Friday, she'd have him Tuesday, Thursday and weekends <vocal desc=laugh>


4340:cos I said to her what you gonna do when you get home if you can't drive?
4341:Oh she said I'm gonna get one of those er chair, chairs that you see them


<unclear >


4342:Mary I told her to buy a car you see and she said, she said no, I'll buy a chair then we can drive on the seat


<unclear >


4343:<vocal desc=laugh> I said I, I'll have to start having lessons


4344:How to do wheelies in the


4345:how to do wheelies


<unclear >


4346:she'll have to give me a mile start <pause> oh I say


4347:Who is it then? <pause>


4348:I guess that thing


4349:Wind bag


4350:It's hot in here


4351:You feel, with your fur coat


4352:I know, I'm gonna put it, take it off on


<unclear >


4353:and like nothing on earth


4354:Mm <pause>


4355:mm <pause> honestly it's all sex in these papers


<unclear >


4356:your eyes have lit up


4357:Mm

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4358:don't like these papers really


4359:No, I know, keep the, keep the, you've read it four times now but you hmm <pause>


4360:Ooh


<unclear >


4361:thought he was dead <pause> oh <pause> I tell you who keeps young Cliff Richard doesn't he?


4362:Mm


4363:He never seems to age


4364:Who's that?


4365:He's not married that's why


4366:Yeah


4367:He has a


<unclear >


4368:doesn't smoke, doesn't drink <pause> not married

 <unclear > <pause>


4369:Oh I say <pause> Jimmy White


4370:Well <pause>


<unclear >


4371:yeah but there's only one missing


<unclear >


4372:oh no


4373:You must be joking


4374:They don't know who you are


4375:it's like er Jeremy Beadle


4376:Jeremy Beadle, is it heck, is it heck


4377:Course it is


4378:It's not


4379:Of course it is, I mean in your house and taking over


<unclear >


4380:oh

 <unclear > <pause>


4381:can I pass you please? <pause>


4382:Can you get past?


4383:I don't like her


<unclear >


4384:it's a terrible non event

 <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


4385:How's your glasses? <pause>


4386:Can you squeeze through?


4387:I can now


4388:I've left a gap a yard wide for ya


4389:Oh dear, that's <pause>


4390:Oh <pause>


4391:I better had, put these back on again


4392:Yeah as Philip says you're stupid wearing those or something because


4393:Yeah


4394:they're your new ones so


4395:Are they a different prescription


4396:Yeah


4397:than those?
4398:Oh, oh well


4399:It may of been when between there


4400:But Philip says you shouldn't of got that


4401:Oh no, it's a different pres different strength


4402:he said, well, well I said well he keeps


4403:You look better in them mind you


<unclear >


4404:yeah those are better


4405:suit you


4406:Mm


4407:they make you make you look sort of intelligent sort of


<unclear >


4408:oh they're more expensive aren't they?


<unclear >


4409:What is it, your eyes have altered the strength of your lenses haven't they?
4410:They've all, I could do with glasses.


4411:I thought you used to wear them at one time


4412:For reading yeah, I could do now I think for distance


4413:Yeah


4414:if I look at things like that, it's all, er <pause>


4415:yes because you, when Paula, when did Paula stop wearing glasses?


4416:I'd never seen Paula in, in glasses, ever, other than in photographs


4417:Oh


4418:not a liable


<unclear >


4419:I don't think she had


<unclear >


4420:no it's just for close work


4421:Mm


4422:it is


<unclear >


4423:Paula


<unclear >


4424:glasses as soon as she went to another


<unclear >


4425:well she wore glasses when she was in her pram


4426:In her pram?


4427:Yeah she had


<unclear >


4428:she had little tiny, little gold ones


4429:Yeah


4430:that were tied on with a ribbon


4431:Ah


4432:and she was <unclear >


4433:Have you got a photograph of that in the pram with glasses on?


4434:and, no she had


4435:Could, we could have that blown up


4436:she had them a few month's old didn't she?


4437:Yeah


4438:and we could send it anonymously to


<unclear >


4439:primary school <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4440:but no, she had them er then and he spent a lot of time did Paula with her glasses you needn't worry


4441:Did she have operations to


4442:Oh yeah


4443:or just a squint


4444:she had the two, the first one wasn't put right, you know they had to get the exact one


4445:Mm, mm


4446:They get weaker and weaker before they'll do it, weaken the


4447:What they do is


4448:So it will


4449:So it will, if one wasn't


<unclear >


4450:was pulling to yes


4451:Yeah, yeah


4452:So they weakened the strong one


4453:And the only, the only way you can do that, you can't string the muscle up


4454:So they weakened the strong one


4455:They have to


<unclear >


4456:the root and the stronger one


4457:Yeah


<unclear >


4458:what they hand them down here do they?
4459:So they a bit Monty Pythonish swing


4460:But she, she had to have two because the, the first one they did it wasn't, it wasn't exactly what they wanted


4461:Mm


4462:so she had to go back in and have it done again


4463:God


4464:so, she was very good wasn't she?
4465:Because you see then erm <pause> until they take the bandages off


4466:Mm


4467:they don't know


4468:If it's worked or not, if it's been a success or not


4469:and it's an ordeal for a young child


4470:Mm


4471:What we did with, we bought her a little guitar so that she can play it and have a bit of music and something to do


4472:Yeah, yeah


4473:and she had, we bought her this little


4474:Ukelele type of thing


4475:and the second time she had it done it was very unfortunate because I


<unclear >


4476:was on you know that big


<unclear >


4477:no, I don't, but there's been that many


4478:they were all down with it


4479:Yeah


4480:and they wouldn't let her out of hospital but they closed the ward and they wouldn't let any


4481:Only those that were in could stop in


4482:And only them

 <unclear >


4483:but nobody could visit


4484:So sort of isolation it was


4485:Yeah


4486:Yeah


4487:and it


4488:So how long was she in for then?


4489:Be about a week


4490:A week extra but


<unclear >


4491:used to come up


4492:Poor up


4493:She took, she took them a walk to see the flowers in the garden and


4494:In the hospital, yeah


4495:they dressed up as nurses and help the nurses


4496:Oh that'll be good won't it?


4497:Yeah


4498:Yeah


4499:Oh yeah the nurses were kind to them


4500:Were good to them


4501:yeah, and they cleaned the ward and they, cos everybody went


<unclear >


4502:oh they were spotless


4503:they were all fit


4504:Yeah


4505:they were all fit, just keep them


4506:Yeah


4507:keep them occupied


4508:and then of course erm because, because she just had the operation you see they didn't think it was advisable


4509:Pardon?


4510:Because she just had the operation


4511:Yeah


4512:they didn't think it was advisable that she came home


4513:Mm


<unclear >


4514:I'm not cheating out


4515:Oh no


4516:I'm not cheating out


4517:But you


4518:but I've been wanting, I've been quietly thinking, the trouble is, you see it isn't just the argument that drives you pot you wouldn't nip home, Paula to go with you to bring her dear Arthur back


4519:Why?


4520:I do that


4521:Well is he going to walk back?


4522:if I'm driving the Metro


4523:The only thing, other thing is, that Arthur could take the


<unclear >


4524:in his car


4525:Yeah


4526:and then they could bring the Metro over, if I go and do some shopping on my way out now at Asda


4527:Yeah


4528:and then could bring it another day, or


4529:Bring back, that's right, either way it's gotta go hasn't it?


4530:It, perhaps it's a bit much to try and get it all done to er today


4531:No, if you took us in your car, you could come for, if you took us in the Metro today, oh


4532:No, say it, go on say it


4533:No, you've still got to get back to your place


4534:To get back to my


4535:to your house in it


4536:Well either way we've got to do that, two cars have gotta go, it's gotta involve two cars either way, no matter when you do it


4537:It's got to involve two cars at some time


4538:whether you do it start, middle or end, it makes no difference


4539:And then they come for him, and then, you come for him in your car


<unclear >


4540:yeah


4541:Yeah, when are they likely to tell you about your biopsy then?


4542:They don't rush


4543:No I'm not


4544:The best thing you could do is ask at the


<unclear >


4545:if I go and ask now


4546:You go and ask them if there's any news


4547:Do you wanna ask?


4548:cos they only told me bits, they all came round this morning and er, we were having a laugh actually, it was


4549:Was this big Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


4550:it was him we were laughing this morning


<unclear >


4551:oh God <vocal desc=laugh>


4552:he were er, he were er, they said they, he haven't got, he said you


<unclear >


4553:no need for painkillers he was that surprised, he was that surprised the way, of the way he did it, he got brutally treated with


<unclear >


4554:with his


<unclear >


4555:telling him now how he did, how he did it


<unclear >


4556:yeah, yeah, and they, they say he was brutal with you?


4557:I said, I said, I said


<unclear >


4558:I was all prepared he was suggesting there was a beautiful big orange over there, it was, he found out that neither of us, non,


<unclear >


4559:oh God

 <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4560:and he


<unclear >


4561:I told him ambition's a good thing and what are you


<unclear >


4562: take another sample from you please ?
4563:And he, and this young doctor said, yeah he says the only samples I take


<unclear >


4564:oh God <vocal desc=laugh> all fruits <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4565:so he needn't of been right you see, he could of, he <vocal desc=laugh> oh dear


4566:Yeah if you follow that, that sister


<unclear >


4567:right, see what she says and whether it's gonna be, I'll get it on tape if I can, for posterity <vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Spoken to John <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">, what's happening about his biopsy?


4568:Oh that I don't know you'll have to see staff nurse


4569:You don't know <pause>

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


4570:John <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


4571:I know what you're gonna ask me and I don't know <vocal desc=laugh>


4572:You don't know, we're just trying to work out when he's going home or and things like that


4573:Erm, not before the weekend by the sound of it


4574:Right


4575:they haven't yet said anything certainly that we're aware of


4576:Right


4577:he, he realizes I mean he's quite a lot better himself


4578:Yeah


4579:he's now cut out all his morphine


4580:Yeah


4581:just on erm a couple of odd painkillers


<unclear >


4582:mm, mm


4583:erm, and, and seems a lot better generally so, you know, just a question of waiting until somebody comes


<unclear >


4584:will it be today?


4585:I don't know, I can't tell you really


4586:He's, he's talking now


4587:Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> done another


4588: Biop biopsy on Tuesday


4589:biopsy on Tuesday, and it can take up to a week


4590:He said two, forty eight hours just now


4591:Yeah, yeah


4592:said I will know within forty eight hours and we thought we Tuesday you see


4593:Yeah


4594:Thursday afternoon


4595:How, erm, are still here for the moment, I mean


4596:Oh yeah, here, here for a while, yeah


4597:because, you know, you will see a couple of doctors wandering around and sitting at the desk


<unclear >


4598:I mean he may know


4599:Oh


4600:and not divulge the information to you


4601:I was gonna say


4602:he may know when it's likely to come


4603:Right, oh we're just trying to work out, you know, car here and getting bodies


4604:Yeah


4605:here there and


4606:Yes


4607:everywhere, things like that, so, well I'll hang on a bit then


4608:Okay


4609:okay, yeah, thanks a lot, ta <pause>


<unclear >


4610:She said she doesn't know


<unclear >


4611:hold on, hold on, just a moment, she doesn't know, but a biopsy can take a week, a week to come through, she wouldn't expect you out before the weekend


4612:Exactly


4613:Why?


4614:Hold on, this is what you wouldn't, expects, this is only expects, this may not be, you might be walking out tomorrow morning


4615:He's


4616:she hasn't, she hasn't got the results through yet, but they maybe through and the doc says no already, but they haven't told her okay?


4617:Yeah


4618:So, erm, she said oh you are erm on a few drugs, but there anti-inflammatory drugs that you're on


4619:Yeah


4620:okay, I think that's for your stomach, erm <vocal desc=laugh>


4621:You're getting all excited, getting everybody else

 <unclear >


4622:No, no no, no I said to her if we could just know, cos er, moving bodies and cars and so on, she probably understands but she said as soon as you see a doctor out here, speak to them and, and then we can erm, but they may know somebody


4623:They may not


4624:but I say, I said to her that you, you'd said that you had the biopsy within, you'd know the results within forty eight hours, but she said oh no


<unclear >


4625:they could take a week


<unclear >


4626:oh stop rushing us then


4627:We've had the word, nobody's being rushed


4628:I know, I don't


<unclear >


4629:he's, he's like this, he's got to get on, get everything done, that's what I said to you the other day, leave


<unclear >


4630:and I can get myself sorted, because I know him, he doesn't, he doesn't wait


4631:But he's not gonna be in that much longer are ya?


4632:No


4633:No, but he


<unclear >


4634:but it's still, I mean, even if I don't, even if I don't come out tomorrow, I'd come out on Saturday


4635:If you come out on Saturday night, the best idea for me to do is to get Philip home


4636:This afternoon, yeah


4637:No not this afternoon


4638:This is what we've been saying


4639:Oh not this afternoon


4640:So what, what we could do


4641:He wants us to call


<unclear >


4642:no


4643:Well, well, no


4644:no, it's not that, listen, listen now, now listen to Santa now, listen to Santa, if you went home, if you went, listen to me now


<unclear >


4645:if you went home the day before Philip goes to get everything ready for him so you haven't


4646:No, I'm taking, no it's not that, he's got to go home and be settled


4647:Well that's what I'm saying


<unclear >


4648:that's what I'm saying, if you go then the following day we'll bring Philip and then by which time you most probably got news about the old codger here


<unclear >


4649:do what, it just seems easier for you that's all <pause>


4650:If I get, it'll take the twenty four hours to settle in, <vocal desc=laugh> don't you think so Arthur? <pause>


<unclear >


4651:erm, he'll rush us out now, we can't


4652:No we won't, we'll stay here


4653:Listen, right, we'll sort it


<unclear >


4654:yes you are <vocal desc=laugh>


4655:He's not, he can't do, he's got nothing to do with this actually, he's got nothing to do with it


4656:I can't


4657:he's in the hands of these people here, who tell him what to do and what not to do


4658:He's really, you, you know, he's


<unclear >


4659:no he won't


4660:No, I don't say a dicky bird to


4661:Oh


4662:It's nothing to do with him


4663:that's a change, that's a change

 <unclear >


4664:No


4665:Oh you're getting better


4666:no he'd, he's got to do as he's told and he knows that and that's it and at the moment she says we don't know so we don't know, but we know that sooner or later it's


4667:I'm not


<unclear >


4668:we know it's sooner or later


4669:It's gonna be pretty imminent


4670:Shh, let's


<unclear >


4671:shut up about it


4672:I'm not to read


4673:shut up


4674:I'm not to read


<unclear >


4675:shut up


<unclear >


4676:shut up


4677:Yeah


4678:we'll make our minds up


4679:That means she'll make her mind up and tell us, yeah we'll make our minds up, the royal we <vocal desc=laugh>


4680:My husband and I <vocal desc=laugh>


4681:I might see somebody tonight, I might not


4682:Oh you'll see somebody


4683:Er Arthur


4684:What?


4685:my husband and I <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4686:Are forever rowing <vocal desc=laugh>


4687:no, my husband and I


4688:No, we've come, we've come to the agreement that what


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4689:ah, we will make up our minds


4690:Yes


4691:We will


4692:We will


4693:My husband and I will decide <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4694:I, God


4695:<vocal desc=laugh> Well stop bossing


4696:You'll be okay


4697:Alright, we'll get off and have a visitor's night


<unclear >


4698:yeah, but he's gonna do it, he is gonna do it, he's gonna do it


4699:And he's


4700:he is gonna, yeah


4701:he's so busy


4702:I did tell her that about two days

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4703:he's so busy doing other people's jobs, he can't


4704:Well he's so busy about to do it and getting himself ready to do it, that he is gonna do it though <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4705:This morning he was playing erm, zombies, he had a double sleeping bag, two sleeping bags and made a, an enormous, erm, a double bed out of it and he was inside it


4706:Yeah


4707:I'm a zombie, and I said get it off your head lad, I'm a zombie, who, who, walked downstairs so, there's a big plant there and, it's ever so large mind ya, sent it flying, I'm a zombie <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4708:bang


4709:He had it flying then?


4710:He looked at me gone out, absolutely gone out and I clouted him and he's <vocal desc=laugh> what's the matter?
4711:And there's this thing scattered all over the place


<unclear >


4712:coming home at fifteen and he's still playing at zombies

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4713:hmm, oh God


4714:But he, I mean, he has


<unclear >


4715:because it's hard to, and he can't settle down to it


4716:He's got a lot of everything to do ain't he?
4717:Poor Paul


4718:I mean the


<unclear >


4719:mm crosswords


4720:Cleaning out that garage, honestly I mean that it's, I've never seen anything like it, he must of


<unclear >


4721:that day


4722:Yeah


4723:he must of done Arthur, he moved and pulled everything, he's ever such a good boy, he's says to ya, I don't know why he says but I can eat as much as I can, said I never get fat, I said I know why you don't get fat

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4724:you use half your energy up in your jobs


4725:That's right


4726:every bit of energy he uses


4727:Yeah, it's his jaw, a jaw tongue <pause> I think jaws and tongues use up more energy than anything else


4728:Yeah, I do <pause>


4729:Are you ready then?


4730:Yeah, better put me coat on


4731:No


4732:Oh


4733:ready, ready for this, this crossword


4734:I put me coat on


<unclear >


4735:we're not going anywhere, that was Scilly, nineteen down, stop cease


4736:Stop


4737:cease <pause> fifteen down, state, state for example , say, fifteen across, we're doing well here aren't we?
4738:Fifteen across machine gun from the er faster


4739:I haven't scored any yet


4740:from the er faster perhaps

 <unclear >


4741:all the things to visit


<unclear >


4742:right


4743:Yeah


<unclear >


4744:that's er,


<unclear >


4745:you what?


4746:Are your bowels alright?


4747:Yeah


4748:Have they had to give you an enema?


4749:No


4750:That's sun hat, anagram of sun hat, we're doing well here, N, S, I, G, N S <pause> places <pause>

 <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


<unclear >


4751:U, H, A, T <pause>


<unclear >


4752:right <pause>


4753:we're doing well here father, were doing well, four down, I get it here, double S oh no <pause> it's upset isn't it?


<unclear >


4754:oh what


<unclear dur=6 >


4755:I think I was moving


4756:Oh I see


<unclear >


4757:I was waiting for the ambulance the ambulance just came


<unclear >


4758:oh good


4759:Don't, the only thing


<unclear >


4760:yeah


4761:and see what happens


4762:but I mean as I say


4763:Yes alright


<unclear >


4764:yeah that's what I'm saying is at the moment the thing is you


4765:I don't want you rushing backwards and forwards like a bloody yo-yo


4766:I don't think you


<unclear >


4767:no

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


4768:I think


4769:it's actually


4770:I think


4771:it's actually green


<unclear >


4772:when they can't visit, he's going to have to come and visit and that's when


<unclear >


4773:yeah


4774:to get in the car to go to the hospital


4775:Yeah


4776:I think that's his one


<unclear >


4777:yeah


4778:He goes to pieces, he's lost all confidence ain't he, in himself


<unclear >


4779:and he's getting worse and you try to tell him but

 <unclear > <pause>


4780:Ah, it's beaten me, only a couple


4781:Take it with you Charlie


4782:No I'll let you do it, I, I've pointed you in the right direction


4783:Yeah


<unclear >


4784:after he's organized and bossed and


4785:He hasn't done that at all you are amazing


4786: or organizing and bossing


4787:I'm in a different, I'm on a different planet to this one


<unclear >


4788:no,


4789:And whatever you do, whatever you do don't forget to get


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4790:get two of them


4791:No, I'll get


<unclear >


4792:get two four-pinters


<unclear >


4793:who said that?


4794:Paul, he's


<unclear >


4795:Paul will tell you


<unclear >


4796:anything


<unclear >


4797:he's the class monitor you see, that's what it is


4798:I said oh I <vocal desc=laugh>


4799:Yeah, aye, he's alright


4800:I said right, I said to


<unclear >


4801:I don't bother to all the


<unclear >


4802:I said oh dear Paul


4803:Tony told his risque joke at dinner didn't he?
4804:Oh


<unclear >


4805:just after finish eating


4806:On this, on this bleeper?


4807:No it's not on this


4808:Oh I hope not


4809:he wouldn't of told it if it gone on this <vocal desc=laugh> <pause>


<unclear >


4810:it's only that one isn't it?
4811:Oh no, no, he told that one, he told some weird ones that go on and on and on and on and the end is


4812:Oh yeah


4813:No punch line


4814:there's nothing to it, it's aargh


4815:When, when Pat <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> and Ann was at Notre Dame, Pat <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> used to sell, tell stuff oh and they went on and on and on


4816:Yeah


4817:and they got boring in the end cos they went on, you know about a bit too, you've got to stop


4818:Mm, well it's supposed, they're designed to do that aren't they, so at the end of it you're ready to throttle them, when you got the punch line <pause> <vocal desc=laugh> it's on telly


4819:Oh my goodness <vocal desc=laugh>


4820:Is that on telly?


4821:Yeah


4822:How the dickens you've been listening to


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4823: It's alright, don't worry, don't worry


<unclear >


4824:I can't understand a word he says


<unclear >


4825:he gets there in the end


4826:Oh, oh well that's


<unclear >


4827:then


4828:We're not asking anybody


4829:I know

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


4830:no wonder he was bright


4831:Yes


4832:is he


<unclear >


4833:pardon?


<unclear >


4834:yeah, with us, sorry, there we are it's still on doctor's


4835:Leave him don't, let him do what he wants to do


<unclear >


4836:I thought he might want to go out there for a little while


<unclear >


4837:She's, he's been round there


4838:Oh


<unclear >


4839:things are happening


<unclear >


4840:the goldfish, seen the size of those fish?
4841:They're worth a bit when they're like that aren't they?


4842:Yeah


4843:Alive


4844:Oh yes


4845:Those in that pond are the erm


<unclear >


4846:oh aye, there's fish in it


<unclear >


4847:they're that size


<unclear >


4848:yeah


<unclear >


4849:you know the other night you were on about the fish that you had for your tea


4850:Mm


4851:about that size, there's a few less today, have you noticed?


4852:Yeah, had fish for tea


4853:Yeah, had goldfish the other night, goldfish and


<unclear >


4854:there's been some very good compliments flying round this place as far as the service is, the meals are prepared


4855:Oh yes


4856:it is good stuff


4857:It is good stuff is it?


4858:Oh yeah, by the way he's got to stay until after Sunday lunch


4859:Oh aye, yeah, you're gonna have your whisk haven't ya?
4860:We'll bring you out after Sunday, I'll tell, we'll tell them that


<unclear >


4861:we'll bring them out this Sunday and take him in next Saturday <vocal desc=laugh>

 <unclear > <pause>


4862:He says, he er


<unclear >


4863:in a bottle


4864:Really?
4865:So you finished it off


4866:We, we had the er


<unclear >


4867:the what?


4868:This always comes in the


<unclear >


4869:the bottle does?


4870:Yeah


4871:Ah does it?


4872:Ah


4873:Have to water it down when they get to him <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


4874:that's why, that's why he's in


4875:So who, who has the drop of the hard stuff in here then?
4876:Everybody


4877:Everybody


4878:like they've had in the corner, he likes it does he?


4879:Oh yes


<unclear >


4880:what happens if it runs out, have they got another bottle that's


4881:I've, I've no idea


4882:You'll have to find out won't you?
4883:You're allowed one and one only, do they not come back for seconds do they? <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4884:it's er normal


4885:Get down the pub <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4886:say when <vocal desc=laugh>


4887:I've got a terrible stammer <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


4888:oh dear


4889:Oh, bet, bet you spill a lot though when you drink it don't ya, right down your throat it goes <vocal desc=laugh>


4890:I've never known anywhere where they do that


4891:Oh yeah, mm, the thing these days


4892:I live in the past I do


4893:You do, I'm afraid you do


4894:I'm afraid I do


4895:you never know


4896:there's me


<unclear >


4897:look at it here


4898:You should of seen them this morning, Paula was lined up with her pills and then he stood next to her with his pills and erm <pause>


<unclear >


4899:the first time I've taken a pill for years and years and she said, my taste and my smell


4900:The taste


4901:trying to get my taste back and my smell back


<unclear >


4902:yeah, but it came back the other day didn't it?


4903:Yeah


<unclear >


4904:but it, no don't know, no it's horrid innit?


<unclear >


4905:it's all catarrh she says


4906:It's all er


<unclear >


4907:doesn't sound like it does it?


4908:No you don't sound as if you've got


4909:No she says I do, the doc


4910:Yeah, catarrh


<unclear >


4911:I tell you, I tell you what it was


4912:I'll have a Polo, give us a Polo


4913:I tell you what is good for catarrh Arthur is


4914:Have you got any grapes?


4915:No


4916:You've got, I can see bowls of 'em


4917:Yes


4918:There are, look at that, it's a hospital Polo there's a bit already been taken out of it


4919:Yeah, he's already eaten some


4920:Have you, er have you seen that Polo advert on the er, on the telly?


4921:On a


4922:The Polo advert, when Polos were first invented


4923:Mm


4924:the Polo on each mint on the hole


4925:Mm


4926:was laboriously


4927:knocked out, chipped out


4928:chipped out, aye and of course we had a machine doing all that work, it was no longer done by hand it was done by machine


4929:<vocal desc=laugh> Knocked out by machine


4930:yeah, and he, the hand, the hand as a chisel


4931:Mm


4932:revolving it, two hands doing the first job just changed to


4933:a machine


4934:a, a machine, yeah <pause>


4935:Mm, that was to the bits in the middle, don't tell you that


<unclear >


4936:do you think that's true?
4937:Must have got machines to do it round like that


<unclear >


4938:mm, how'd they do it?
4939:Hell of a skilful job that, to carve Polo on each Polo <pause> mm <pause> I can't do this, it's too hard, it's tart, four letters


4940:What for, what


4941:Tart


4942:Yeah, but what's the clue?


4943:Tart


4944:Tart


4945:four letters


4946:Four letters


4947:No, can't have that, pie, cake <pause>


4948:what, is there any letters been there?


4949:No, no I'll give you one with a three letter one, first letter R, clue, rank <pause> could it be row, rank, row


4950:Oh what's that


<unclear >


4951:I was thinking of rank like, officer's and things like that


4952:Yeah


4953:couldn't be a row could it?


4954:Couldn't be what?


4955:A row


<unclear >


4956: R O W ranks, the rank of something R O W ain't it, row?


4957:No not R O W is it?


4958:Yeah it is now, yeah <pause> oh


4959:Tart


4960:savoury food item, first one D last one T, six altogether, savory food item <pause>


4961:D and the last one was?


4962:Was T and there's six altogether


4963:Six altogether


4964:renowned, famed if you're renowned ain't it?
4965:Sorry, have you got it?


4966:No


4967:Give you another one, standard, four, first one is I <pause> no, they're too hard aren't they?


4968:Much too hard <pause>


4969:How'd you spell occasional?
4970:<pause> No it's too many letters occasional


4971:I think of that

 <unclear > <pause>


4972:It's not


<unclear >


4973:cartoon here, can me dad borrow the racing page?
4974:And a fiver


<unclear >


4975:and a fiver, no, he must of put a bet on, borrowed the paper and borrowed the money to put the bet on <pause> same day dry cleaning service, you can pick it up at two minutes to midnight madam


<unclear >


4976:hmm


<unclear >


4977:can't come to terms with it


4978:Be that concentrating, it's too much effort to concentrate, yeah


<unclear >


4979:Paul's thinking about his homework


4980:He's probably done something you don't know, you haven't seen


4981:Yeah, I mustn't put the lad down


4982:Yeah, he's been working all day Paul


4983:Yeah, he was doing a bit of drama this morning wasn't he?


4984:I don't know


4985:A zombie


4986:<vocal desc=laugh> A zombie, yeah


<unclear >


4987:oh he said show me how to carve the chicken


4988:He said show me how to carve, actually I bet he'd make a good chef


4989:He made the gravy, Paul?


4990:and he made the gravy and he


4991:He can make gravy <vocal desc=laugh>


4992:he said there's fat on this gravy and


4993:So Tony came along and said no it's not it's oil, fat is oil, when is oil fat, when it's, oh God


4994:He's quite good you know, Paul


4995:He's what?


4996:He's a good cook, he knows what he's doing


4997:Yeah, yeah, he's, he's, have you ever had one of his pizzas?


4998:Had it, I


4999:You know one of his that he makes?


5000:No I haven't had a pizza


5001:You want him to get you to make a pizza, you know how you buy these pizzas, nothing to them, brilliant pizza


5002:Mm


5003:get him to make you pizza, brilliant, I'm not joking

 <unclear >


5004:what have the


5005:He cooks really nice


<unclear >


5006:yeah


<unclear >


5007:oh yeah, it'll take him all day to get ready for it, psyching himself up, mentally prepare himself to get into the kitchen


<unclear >


5008:yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah


<unclear >


5009:but he does


<unclear >


5010:he gets on with it


5011:Cooking?


5012:No anything, he get, he's like Paula he gets on with it


5013:True, true


5014:I mean he doesn't stand and dither and think, that's not


<unclear >


5015:yeah, he can't <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


5016:he, he can't stand and dither, he moves around a lot and doesn't think <vocal desc=laugh> if only he could stand and dither and think <vocal desc=laugh>


5017:No, you shouldn't talk


<unclear >


5018:Paul


5019:Oh come on he's


5020:Oh he's a good kid Paul <pause>


<unclear >


5021:yeah


<unclear >


5022:but, she's the one I spoke to the other day, she says you're a character


5023:Did she?


5024:Yeah, she said he's a right character isn't he?
5025:She said she, she liked his erm pyjama bottoms


<unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


5026:look at that how far we are from the rain, right across the middle


5027:Yeah, oh yeah


5028:he said it's like a spring like day he's saying in the South East

 <unclear > <pause>


5029:finest Southern over Scotland tonight


<unclear >


5030:and what is it here?


5031:Lovely tomorrow, erm, two or three tonight


5032:That's nice


5033:Yeah


5034:Certainly is


5035:Did they give you the results?


5036:Yeah I'll ask her, she's the one I spoke to before


<unclear >


5037:Oh they're talking about medication


5038:Yeah, they're up to their eyes in there


5039:They're up to their eyes in it, you can't ask them while they're, they're


<unclear >


5040:it's not fair

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


5041:going home on the Sun Saturday, he said well


<unclear >


5042:looking forward to


<unclear >


5043:Where, where d'ya leave it, it's not at home is it?
5044:Is it at home?


5045:I don't know if it, whether he has got it at home


5046:Or a hostel


5047:whether he's decided to


<unclear >


5048:and now he's too ill to be able to, to look after himself


5049:Yeah, so


<unclear >


5050:yeah, poor old sod


5051:It could be anything


5052:Yeah I know


<unclear >


5053:you can be any age from fifty onwards


5054:Yeah, that's what we was saying wasn't it?
5055:Yeah, exactly that.


<unclear >


5056:Yeah, there's enough people coming to see me


5057:Oh yes I know what I mean to say is


5058:They're all the same


<unclear >


5059:yeah


<unclear >


5060:on his own


5061:Yeah


5062:Yeah


5063:How much time do you both say


<unclear >


5064:lad with the glasses, was it a big lad?


5065:No, he used to work for


<unclear >


5066:or was that Wallie the one with the big lad with the glasses?
5067:There was one of them a big with glasses


5068:Oh yeah that was Wallie


5069:That was Wallie, Bob was the


<unclear >


5070:oh yes, yes, yeah, remember Bob yeah


5071:He was another, I had no bother really, no family


<unclear >


5072:almost servant type you know, he tied himself to you and you feel he couldn't do you enough for you


5073:Mm, mm, yeah, but I, but the lad he was the, he was a Communist who worked for you


<unclear >


5074:lived round the corner to us


5075:Oh yeah


5076:What was, what was he called?
5077:Erm


5078:you mean

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


5079:what was his first name?


5080:Norman, Norman <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


5081:Not Norman


5082:Norman <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


5083:erm


<unclear >


5084:he was a red hot red wasn't he?


5085:Yeah


5086:Red hot red


5087:Slimmish chap


5088:and quite, quite cuddly wife


<unclear >


5089:I never saw the cuddly wife


5090:She was a, she was a nurse


5091:I never saw her


5092:there's a sister


5093:We, we, we


<unclear >


5094:I did over Christmas, I did some Carlton and Alfy down there <pause> no, no that's where I met, I had a Christmas holiday job, couple of days worked for him, I was lugging these vices up


5095:You were working for me?


5096:Yeah


5097:Oh no it wouldn't be Norman would it


5098:No, no, the name Nor the name Norman doesn't ring a bell


5099:No


<unclear >


5100:yeah he was a red


<unclear >


5101:Frank


5102:Frank


5103:Frankie was


<unclear >


5104:a little man


5105:A little man he


<unclear >


5106:was it Frank?
5107:Oh he had a family, he had a family


<unclear >


5108:It's on <pause> is when you get a click <pause> at the end.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5109:No, doesn't fit on <pause> it's stopped recording change the <pause> change the tape <pause> so <pause> a su <pause> but going back to that she was so convinced that it was gonna be a heck of a job that she would save us time by taking all the clothes out putting them somewhere else <pause> and I said <pause> it'll take us three minutes


5110:Ten minutes <pause> time on


5111:with two people


5112:Just go and see what he wants.


5113:Oh some of that.


5114:What do you want <pause> drink?


5115:Yes, please yeah.


5116:There you are.
5117:<pause> Your wish is my command.
5118:Okay then.


5119:Lovely!
5120:Thanks very much.


5121:Is that enough?
5122:Do you


5123:Yeah.


5124:want a bit more?


5125:No I'll be alright there thank you.


5126:Okay then.
5127:Do you want that <pause> a bit closer


5128:Yep.


5129:for you.


5130:Yeah, over there.


5131:Okay?


5132:Yep, thanks.


5133:Ah.
5134:If you need <pause> anything just give us a shout, alright?


5135:Everything is so cheap there.


5136:Big job, I mean that job on the <pause> on the phones <pause> was <unclear >!


5137:Oh your <pause> oh your extension?


5138:Yeah.


5139:Yeah.


5140:You like don't you?


5141:It's looks very good.
5142:Those, you know your little pieces of wood that hold the glass


5143:Yeah.


5144:to stop


5145:Yeah.


5146:them s sliding forward <pause> they want, they want staining, yeah.


5147:Yeah , alright.


5148:That's all.
5149:It looks <pause> it looks passable <unclear > dunnit?


5150:It certainly gives daylight in doesn't it?


5151:Mm.
5152:Yeah.
5153:I


5154:Yeah has it been too obvious?


5155:In fact it's an improvement rather than an alteration, it's <pause> you've actually improved it haven't you?


5156:But you will let me have my tablets before I go?


5157:Yes, definitely.


5158:Would you?
5159:Thanks a lot.


5160:Can't <unclear > <pause> to you how much to take.


5161:No she's er <pause> she's so <pause> she's so keen at not letting <pause> go of <pause> a discussion <pause> she comes back, she's like a terrier!
5162:She worries it and worries it and


5163:Yeah.


5164:and gets it by the throat and worries it!
5165:<pause> It must be very frustrating to <pause> try and sort something out with her! <vocal desc=laugh>


5166:<unclear > it's all apologies.
5167:<unclear > out before we've absolutely <pause> abominable!


5168:Has she always been like this or is


5169:Yeah.


5170:it <pause> always?
5171:Yeah, oh!
5172:Come back to it and back

 <unclear >


5173:to it and back to it!


5174:She <pause> if you've only had to have an <unclear > <pause> you can't just say ooh <pause> watch your <unclear > <pause> and er <pause> every time we've away <pause> you take four times as much as it, it's possible to wear!


5175:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Sounds very familiar this does!


5176:Yeah.


5177:Did you never get to the stage where you <pause> to took stuff out <pause> or


5178:Oh yeah definitely!
5179:I had to do that.


5180:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> No


<unclear >


5181:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> He had erm <pause> you know whe when you go in a caravan <pause> and yo you you you're towing weight aren't you?


5182:Yeah.


5183:So you've got to watch what you take and if it's not necessary <pause> you don't take it if you've got any sense <pause> but if you're gonna take everything on the assumption ju just in case, the just in case, just in cases you know, don't work all these <pause> the fail-safes ten times over <pause> you're overloaded, ah but you're so much unnecessary weight <pause> it all comes back unused, untouched.
5184:And with Paula <pause> loading the caravan <pause> she would be putting stuff in, I would say why are we taking that?
5185:Will you have enough?
5186:And I with that

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5187:you'd have one hell of a row over something daft but it was <pause> di got this idea in her mind so I can see now where it's come from.


5188:Oh aye, you ought to meet her mum!
5189:Oh beautiful!


5190:Anyway <pause> so <pause> yes, she's at the bungalow <pause> she'll be back tonight.
5191:What's happening with Philip I don't know whether Philip will be able <pause> I think what we'll have to do is <pause> one of us will have to drive the <pause> Metro


5192:Yeah.


5193:er <pause> the other one of us will erm <pause> take the <pause> one of the other cars and put Philip in that <pause> and drive him there.
5194:And then <pause> you know, we've got a car there that we come back in <pause> otherwise we won't be able to come back.
5195:<pause> How's Paul today?


5196:Mm.


5197:Is he


5198:<unclear > <pause> Pardon?


5199:How's Paul?


5200:<unclear > Paul?


5201:The lad <pause> Paul <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">.


5202:Oh he's a <unclear > <pause> he says until the likes of <unclear >.
5203:But he's <pause> doped up to the eyeballs and <pause> he's in <pause> you know, painkillers.


5204:Painkillers, yeah.


5205:Yeah.


5206:Oh.


5207:He doesn't know what's coming to him.


5208:Have you seen any doctors this morning?


5209:Yeah, I've seen the lot.


5210:Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">?


5211:<unclear > yes.


5212:Ooh!


5213:<unclear > five hundred, five hundred <pause> I could only say he wasn't, five o'clock last night he was no <pause> so he went to the one doctor, so to the erm <pause> <unclear > what's gonna happen when they <pause> when he, when they can go down the doctors <pause> <unclear > that's first of all go into this and after ten, twenty four hours doing this kind of thing <unclear > for forty eight hours up.


5214:So you can't <pause> you can't rush this?
5215: I it has got to go


5216:A hundred eighty five <unclear >.


5217:it's got to <pause> So if it's got to take forty eight you would of thought you'd have <pause> you'd have known today then?
5218:Does he expect <pause> it to be, the results


5219:I think


5220:today?


5221:Oh yeah.


5222:They would expect them today?


5223:Yep.
5224:Oh yes he's think it's very <unclear >.
5225:They can do anything <unclear > but <pause> it's that one.


5226:This one?


5227:That's the one.


5228:Yeah.
5229:I will do that.
5230:<pause> Tha that's your drug sheet.


5231:They've come to wake this gaffer up.


5232:Who's gaffer?
5233:This lad <pause> nearest to you?


5234:No I didn't mean my gaffer, no <unclear > the other one.


5235:Oh the other one is your gaffer.


<unclear >


5236:When you say you're not feeling so good <pause> is it sort of headache-ish <pause> feeling


5237:Aye


5238:off it?


5239:Just feeling off it, yeah.


5240:Yeah, there's a bit of that going around you know, you could have just that.


5241:I'm continually dra drained <unclear > <pause> my <pause> I seem to get tired, <unclear > or <pause> out of sorts


5242:Mm.


5243:my eyes <pause> <unclear > nuisance.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


5244:What do you mean?


5245:It feels, feels <pause> it, I feel as if I've got something in my eye all the time.


5246:Like sand?


5247:Yeah.


5248:Like a like a rough


5249:yes, <unclear >.


5250:When was the last time you went to the optician?


5251:Just before you came here I think.


5252:Over two years ago then?


5253:Yeah.
5254:I'm due to go.


5255:I think you need to go.


5256:Yeah.
5257:Oh I do need to go now I mean <unclear >.


5258:Yeah but if you tol if you told the optician that they might <pause> might be able to do something about it.
5259:If you don't tell him it though <pause> and you assume he's gonna to pick it up just by looking at your eyes <pause> he's not going to <pause> or she's not going to pick it up.


5260:Yes.


5261:Have you got an optician down here?
5262:Has brother?


5263:Yeah.


5264:Philip?


5265:Philip's been going but <pause> I don't know how to get to it.


5266:Go home this afternoon?


5267:You're not.


5268:And he give me all the jollop <pause> ready?
5269:Take this, take this, do this, do that, you can fucking <pause> kiss is better!


5270:Always seeking attention!


5271:<unclear >!


5272:I see.


5273:You know, seeking attention.


5274:Yeah.


5275:I delegate these <unclear > in here


5276:The chatterbox do it.
5277:Find out.
5278:I would of thought they'd have come and said to you, you know, as soon they got the results say <pause> the news is this.
5279:Did they do that when the first biopsy report through?


5280:No, not not


5281:How did yo how did you find out?


5282:When they were prattling <pause> while they were prattling.


5283:You listened in?


5284:Yeah.


5285:So nobody actually came along to you?


5286:No, they were <pause> <unclear > see they were talking, when no, when they prattle <pause> you're in tune with the prattle

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5287:you not outside the prattle in precluded completely.


5288:So they're all prattling away?


5289:Yeah.


5290:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> And you prattle along with the prattlers?


5291:Yeah.


5292:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> So <pause> ah well!
5293:I'll pop back <pause> I'll have a look <unclear > .


5294:But i it's funny how <pause> what happens now?
5295:Does this lump remain in me?
5296:Or take it out?


5297:Well this is what you need to talk to

 <unclear >


5298:them about <pause> isn't it?
5299:Things like that.


5300:What if <pause> it's <unclear > gone?


5301:What was that?
5302:That you will have it?

 <unclear > <unclear >


5303:Is it


5304:It's <unclear > in you isn't it?


5305:Is it, i i is it, does it irritate you?
5306:Does it itch at you?
5307:Does is gnaw at you?


5308:It just sli slightly gnaws at times.


5309:Like your ear.
5310:That's slightly


5311:That's slightly


5312:Yeah <pause> slightly gnaws at you.


5313:Feel a slight irritation.
5314: I <unclear > should I say.


5315:I better find these.


5316:I think I can <unclear > you see but it's


5317:Yeah.


5318:been there all the time.


5319:Yeah.


5320:See


5321:Haven't they given you any <pause> any cream for your skin?


5322:They have.


5323:But have they given you any cream that you can't get other than through a doctor?


5324:Oh yeah.


5325:Cos i is it <pause> pre by prescription or di


5326:All by prescription.


5327:Ah well then.


5328:Yeah <pause> it's only to keep the itching under control.


5329:Mhm.


5330:I mean, that's all doctors know I mean <pause> when it itches it itches and I scratch it and then I cre cream out and put <unclear > on.


5331:Mm.


5332:I mean I asked for cream when I came here.


5333:And she couldn't give you any stronger than a certain level <pause> could she?


5334:No, she couldn't give me erm <pause> the <pause> the, the one


5335:Won't give you Betnovate will they?


5336:They won't give me Betnovate cos <unclear >


5337:Is that on pre


5338:is the <pause> from the doctors


5339:that's on prescription.


5340: i <pause> the lower one down to that.


5341:Yeah.


5342:They will give you Betnovate if it's, if it's absolutely necessary.
5343:But this one will do.


5344:Has, has Betnovate got steroids in it?


5345:Oh aye.


5346:I think that's the reason.
5347:Oh dinners are starting <pause> being brought round dad.
5348:Wouldn't say no!
5349:What have you got?
5350:Hydrocortisone <pause> cream.
5351:Does <pause> does it do any good?


5352:No.


5353:Oh.
5354:Tony used to find, you know when he wears erm <pause> he used to have problems with yo <pause> he still has


5355:Yes he did.


5356:still has, didn't he?
5357:He used to find that er


5358:They cha he changed it.


5359:change it every so often if


5360:Yeah.


5361:you kept going u <pause> with it <pause> it seemed to lose its strength.


5362:Yeah.


5363:Or it seemed to lose its <pause> beneficial influ <pause> influence on your skin.


5364:Yeah.


5365:The old chap in the corner's got them.


5366:Has he got <unclear >?


5367:Is it, is it the man that?
5368:Granddad in the corner.


5369:That granddad?


5370:No that granddad.


5371:Not really, I never get a holiday in the summer!


5372:Never get a holiday!


5373:Never get a holiday.


5374:That was the granddad that was over there when you first came in.


5375:Is that the old guy who's


5376:That was the ol <pause> he was <pause> that chap was in that bed when I came in.


5377:Oh.


5378:And that's his wife that runs round after him.


5379:No, it's a different one then.
5380:Eh up!

 <unclear > <unclear >


5381:Salad is it?
5382:Is that for you, no?
5383:<pause> Looks a good meal this.


5384:I've forgotten what I've ordered.


5385:Steak and chips I think.
5386:An eight ounce steak <pause> chips <pause> side salad <pause> mushrooms


5387:Yes please!


5388:Can't I tempt you with you that?


5389:Mm?


5390:Can't I tempt you with


5391:Oh aye


5392:that?


5393:Yeah.
5394:Yeah, mm? <unclear > a nice <pause> mixed


5395:What?


5396:grill.


5397:A mixed grill.


5398:Mm.


5399:Well, what we're having for a dinner <pause> for lunch <pause> I think we're having bacon and eggs and sausage and things like that.
5400:A, a, a grill, a real good grill.


5401:Ee!


5402:There you are!
5403:Here you are!
5404:Here's the food wagon.


<unclear >


5405:Can they remember what you've


5406:<unclear > my mother used to


5407:Mm.
5408:A smooth walk, have you noticed how she just glides across, there you are!
5409:What have you got then?
5410:Side salad


5411:Turkey with mushrooms.


5412:And chips.
5413:I'll just do this crossword.
5414:<pause> I'll do your crossword for you.


5415:I tell you what


5416:Yep.


5417:they make a good chip.


5418:Ha!
5419:Nice chips are they?
5420:<pause> Bearable, attend <pause> <unclear > .


5421:Have you finished with that?


5422:Excuse my back <unclear >


5423:No, I'm doing this!


5424:and, and I'll forgive your ignorance!


5425:I was doing that.


5426:Oh <unclear >.


5427:Oh!
5428:Can I sit on the bed?


5429:Yeah.


5430:Not a am I allowed?
5431:It's a bit of lump there.
5432:That's <pause> Oh !


5433:These are quite lumpy.


5434: Oh !


5435:Mm?


5436:There we are.


5437:Do you want a chip?


5438:No, you're alright I wouldn't <pause> no <pause> wouldn't take a


5439:A dying man's chip!


5440: A dying man's chip !
5441:Would you give your last chip <pause> or is it, would you give your last Rolo to me?

 <unclear >


5442:It looks, it looks good that!


5443:It is good.
5444:How are you getting on with him?
5445:<pause> Taste bud stuff.


5446:I could smell something last <pause> night <pause> er


5447:But your breath smells you realize that don't you?


5448:No <pause> does it?


5449:Mm.


5450:Oh.
5451:That's


5452: We we now whether that's a good sign or whether a bad sign I don't know.


5453:Don't know <pause> could be.
5454:I'll have to have a <pause> <unclear >


5455:Mm?


5456:I'll have a <pause> I dunno <pause> what she says is <pause> what it is <pause> apparently it's right across, right through <pause> is erm


5457:A blockage inside.


5458:a blockage yeah <pause> it goes right across you, you've got <pause> you've got catarrh <pause> and I'm thinking <pause> you can only have catarrh if you've got a, you know if you had a real bad cold and <pause> or the flu or something but <pause> she said it's all in there.
5459:I've gotta keep taking these things <pause> one a day.
5460:<pause> Yeah, yesterday I could smell things <pause> first time for ages and ages!
5461:But it's been doing that you see, it's coming at <pause> it's come and gone.
5462:And when it's come it's usually been a case of you can smell something horrible like erm <pause> you know when they're emptying the slurries <pause> out in the pig farms.
5463:<pause> But usually no <pause> can't smell anything there.
5464:Does it smell then?


5465:Mm?


5466:Does it smell good?


5467:No.


5468:No, oh <pause> cos I can't smell anything.
5469:<pause> The food tastes like to <pause> erm <pause> cardboard!
5470:You know it's all <pause> it's all just <pause> one taste


5471:Mm.


5472:it's like a flat taste.
5473:<pause> Yet last night I could taste erm <pause> er the <pause> food we had for tea last night <pause> and it's lovely when you can taste.


5474:Yeah.


5475:You just don't realize that, but when it dri drifts away from you.
5476:<pause> Cor!
5477:You're enjoying this aren't you?


5478:Yeah.
5479:<pause> Ten more of them I might be <unclear >.


5480:I dunno.
5481:<pause> What on earth are you doing?
5482:Taking the skin off?
5483:<pause> You've done well.
5484:<pause> There you are.


5485:Can't eat it properly


5486:Can't you?


5487:The skin.


5488:The skin off the tomato?


<unclear >


5489:Nobody came <unclear >, no.


5490:Some did, save me going to bed!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5491:Peel the skin, put the skin <pause> <unclear >.


5492:Ooh <pause> a bit of roughage does you good then.
5493:Maybe you should eat that <pause> knowing your complaint!


5494:I thi I think he's coming up here.


5495:It looks good.
5496:It tastes good.
5497:By golly it does you good!


5498:That's got <unclear > in there those <pause> got those <unclear > at seven <pause> <unclear >.
5499:You know, when you've hit the <pause> drains at the bottom.


5500:Oh yes!
5501:Yeah.


5502:<unclear > <pause> the er <pause> the manhole


5503:Mhm.


5504:and digging stuff out of there <pause> then after he'd gone <pause> the whole <pause> with all the dairy round it <pause> it was <pause> sprouting with er <pause> <unclear >.


5505:Seeds <pause> just go down there.
5506:Say it was sewage farms that's


<unclear >


5507:that's what they have <pause> you've got a

 <unclear >


5508:drip on the end of your nose.


5509:Oh.
5510:When I


5511:Oh, you've got a bit of a cold haven't you?


5512:Been and payed the poll tax.


5513:The poll tax, oh.


5514:Cos I got told this afternoon <pause> he <pause> haven't made a very good job of <pause> this cleaning up <pause> <unclear >!
5515:I <pause> understand is he took some of his out <pause> out of their storage, shouldn't be shifted <pause> I said not worth <unclear > <pause> really.
5516:What do you mean?
5517:I said and er <pause> sat and <pause> he said I'll see to it.


5518:So he we came along <pause> dug the tomato plants up and took them home?


5519:Somebody come over.
5520:<pause> I dunno, on the one side <pause> <unclear > down a bit so he wasn't so noticeable <pause> and round the other side there's <unclear > !


5521:Oh.


5522:Supposed to be good for your back <unclear > <pause> found it very strong though.


5523:What's supposed to be good for you?


5524:This.


5525:It's got iron in it hasn't it?
5526:Something like that, plenty of iron.
5527:That's why it's a green colour <pause> it's got iron in it.
5528:Mm, yeah.


5529:It's not perfect for me.


5530:I hear you didn't have er, you didn't enjoy your liver the other day?
5531:Ox liver or something <pause> is that right?


5532:It was so <unclear >


5533:It was foul?
5534:Pity that cos <pause> lamb's liver's beautiful isn't it?


5535:Yeah.


5536:Gorgeous.
5537:<pause> Well I've never seen anybody carve erm <pause> a tomato before.


<unclear >


5538:This, this noo <pause> noo nouveau cuisine.


5539:You'd never think we could eat <pause> could eat <unclear > proper food.


5540:Oh proper! <vocal desc=laugh>


5541:Possibly there's one <unclear >


5542:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Bet the queen doesn't do that!


5543:What do you want to do?


5544:No, I'll go back home and <pause> get some bacon and sausage and eggs, see to myself.
5545:And I've gotta go in and do the budget <pause> and get the budget today.
5546:Got to sort that out.
5547:Gotta find this two and a half percent that <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> has dropped us in it!
5548:You know he's given us all seven and half


5549:Yeah.


5550:and there's a two and half percent <pause> short <pause> fall <pause> that we've gotta fight <pause> so I'm gonna <pause> se see where I can get it from.
5551:See which courses they can put round what <pause> and squeeze a bit of money out of it.
5552:Good job they didn't give us more than seven and a half percent isn't it?


5553:Mm.


5554:I think we'd have been right up the creek without the paddle!
5555:<pause> It's very good at the <unclear > actually <pause> oh!
5556:<pause> Or they're pun <pause> they're pouring money into the countryside now <pause> forty five million, he's going in for these developments <pause> er <pause> to create a better countryside <pause> just announced this week.
5557:I wonder why?
5558:I wonder why?
5559:<pause> It's the most considerate and caring government we've ev we've ever had <pause> over this last fortnight!


5560:And it isn't at all, cos he knows <pause> possibly the other way and they won't get in.


5561:Right.


<unclear >


5562:For how many years have we been told it's tax payers' money <pause> do you remember Maggie and the tax payers' money, it's like <pause> this animal somewhere called the tax payer <pause> but it came out of the wall <pause> as if we weren't one of them <pause> and that we had to look after the tax payers' money.
5563:What are they doing with my money now?
5564:They're bribing people left, right and centre with it!
5565:I object to that!
5566:<pause> Mind you, I suppose if <pause> the others were in they'd do exactly the same thing wouldn't they?


5567:Yeah.


5568:I don't think you should be allowed to tinker around with the <pause> with things like this <pause> say within <pause> six months of a general election <pause> and that's why they should have fixed term <pause> appointments.


5569:This is why <unclear > <pause> I know them, it's <unclear > loads of people to get to <pause> decision <unclear > but do <pause> er <pause> this representation isn't it?


5570:Proportional representation.


5571:<unclear > <pause> cross section.


5572:Yeah, prov provided you don't get like you have in Israel at the moment <pause> where you got <pause> ve ve very <pause> minor parties <pause> the religious


5573:Mm.


5574:parties <pause> that take about three, four percent of the vote <pause> but they have got far more sway over the government <pause> than their vote really.


5575:No, they haven't!


5576:It shows.


5577:Definitely!


5578:Well they're holding the government


5579:Israel


5580:there.


5581:yes, but it's the rest of the government <pause> the centre <pause> that doesn't happen.


5582:Well i it <pause> is, they're building on the West Bank


5583:Yes.


5584:in, in wha what is Jordan really, not what was Jordan, what is Jordan they call it now, they call it the occupied territories <pause> it <pause> seems to clean it up if you call it that.
5585:But these <pause> they've erm <pause> the religious parties <pause> you've got build there, you know we've got to expand Israel this is our homeland and if you don't do this we're not going to support you.


5586:Mm.


5587:And the Americans are saying if you build that we pull out our <pause> our, our aid to you.
5588:<pause> It's, it's a bit like in <pause> Northern Ireland where you've got your <pause> the religious erm <pause> influence <pause> they've got somebody like <pause> Ian Paisley <pause> the strength of that man <pause> and his group


5589:Yeah.


5590:phenomenal!
5591:That a <pause> don't you want your lettuce?


5592:Finished all?


5593:Thank you, thanks a lot.


5594:Sweet is on its way.


5595:No real need for them, you know, they're bloody


5596:What's for pud <pause> do you know?


5597:Yep <pause> there's er a <pause> you select them.


5598:Oh it's a <pause> the trolley comes round is it and you choose?


5599:Mm.


5600:The cheese trolley and the sweet trolley and the gateaux trolley!
5601:No?


5602:Mm?


5603:I think I'll, I'll go after you've had your sweet anyway <pause> cos otherwise <pause> mm, once I've had my dinner <pause> two <pause> be about three o'clock before I can get in <pause> to do this budget.
5604:So I'll go after you've had your pud.
5605:<pause> I'll have a word with the doctor.


5606:Pardon?


5607:I'll have a word with the doctor.


5608:He's there now I think.


5609:Is it, now with the two nurses there?
5610:A physio by the looks of it.


5611: Time to go home <pause> time to go home . <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


5612:Alright darling?


5613:Yes.


5614:Alright.


5615:You could still be in Monday couldn't you?


5616:Pardon?


5617:You could still be in Monday.


5618:Could be, but I hope not. <unclear >


5619:I know you are.
5620:<pause> I don't think they'll send you out today.
5621:<pause> I think the earliest you can go, be out now is tomorrow <pause> at the earliest!
5622:Did they send you out on <pause> people out Saturdays and Sundays?


5623:Yeah.


5624:But this biopsy lab does it work through the weekend?


5625:No.


5626:So i


<unclear >


5627:Tonight for sweet


<unclear >


5628:Ice cream <pause> fruit <pause> cocktail <pause> jelly and ice cream or apple.


5629:I'll have jelly and ice cream.


5630:There's rice pudding.


5631:What are you going for?


5632:Jelly and ice


5633:Ooh yes!


5634:cream.


5635:Wow!


5636:Rice pudding <pause> thank you.


5637:Bit of rice pud?


5638:Thank you.


5639:Jelly and ice cream.


5640:For you, what would you like?


5641:Do you get erm <pause> do you get a balloon with it <pause> jelly


5642:Mm.


5643:and ice cream?
5644:And a cracker?


5645:Mm, and a cracker.


5646:I mean a cra <pause> Christmas cracker, you know jelly and ice cream, Christmas party.
5647:You can have cheese and biscuits.
5648:Oh Golly!
5649:What more do you want?


5650:I want going home!


5651:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> You'll enjoy it, what do you want?


5652:What would you like John?


5653:Er, I'll have erm <pause> yellow jelly <pause> ice cream and a bit of <unclear >.


5654:Yellow jelly.


5655:That'll do for me.


5656:You ready.


5657:What?


5658:What?


5659:You got another spoon?
5660:That looks good!
5661:Looks good aye, yeah!
5662:It's alright that.


5663:You know at least the erm


5664:Should have had Paul here.


5665:That's a good idea <unclear > <pause> these <pause> these little <pause> tubs.


5666:Mm.
5667:Why's that?


5668:They're <pause> it's a portion.


5669:Aye, yes.
5670:Guarantee the same portion every time.


5671:That's roughage you see.


5672:That's your roughage.
5673:<pause> Put ten ton of that stuff down you!
5674:<pause> So they're orderlies are they that


5675:I think so, yeah.


5676:So I reckon tonight you're gonna get mother and <pause> Paula <pause> round.
5677:Paula's a lot better <pause> he slept <pause> first time last night right through <pause> without


5678:Mm mm.


5679:getting up and coughing and wheezing and <pause> all the rest of it and they actually slept very well last night.
5680:I think she down to five a day now <pause> five today <pause> is it?


5681:Mm.


5682:What did she start on, was it nine or eight?
5683:Whatever it was.
5684:You know she's doing the count down <pause> little red things she's got <pause> that she swallows <pause> she's down to five, I think it's five.
5685:<pause> I think Tony's made up his mind for which he's, school he's <pause> he's going to go to.


5686:He's got written <unclear >.


5687:But the, well we should have the forms in <pause> completed today and <pause> in the post today <pause> but I think he'll go to Northgate.


5688:Which one's that one?
5689:The one close to here?


5690:The one down the road here.


5691:Mm.


5692:I was impressed with his <pause> how he didn't <pause> disregard one <pause> you know


5693:Yeah.


5694:you know out of hand, he didn't do it


5695:Yeah.


5696:out of hand.
5697:He, he balanced <pause> the strengths of one against another


5698:Yeah.


5699:and what I was a really impressed with <pause> he, he balanced the, the human, what he felt were the human strengths of the school <pause> what it felt like <pause> you know, what the people were like in it <pause> and erm <pause> I think that's made his decision <pause> more difficult <pause> because he hasn't just gone on <pause> the ec <pause> the academic side of it <pause> he looked at the, the all round <pause> aspects of it.


5700:Still and where wo where would get most, most support.


5701:That's it, and where is he likely to feel most comfortable.


5702:Mm.


5703:You know, which one is <pause> more like <pause> him.


5704:Mm.


5705:You know yo <pause> you can be in the best place in the world but if yo if you don't fit in, if you don't feel right there <pause> you're not going to flourish are you?


5706:No.


5707:And once he makes this decision he <pause> he can't <pause> after a year or two say well no that was wrong, I won't <pause> I'll er <pause> I'll change now because he's only got two years <pause> there.
5708:So he's, he's really got to get it right from the word go.
5709:But whether he will <pause> I hope he chooses right for him.
5710:But it will be his decision.


5711:Where he's going?


5712:Yeah.
5713:He says, you know, what do you think and I say well look <pause> it's up to you <pause> and I put the question back to him and say well what do you think?
5714:And that gets him talking then.
5715:<pause> You've really enjoyed that haven't you?
5716:You've had jelly, ice cream and <pause> and fruit, fruit <pause> cocktail.
5717:<pause> What's for tea, have you any idea?
5718: Wha have you chosen it?


5719:Yeah, I've chosen pudding.


5720:You've got <vocal desc=laugh> <pause> That's not bad.
5721: Yeah !

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5722:Don't they have a wine list with your menu? <vocal desc=laugh>


5723:No.


5724:So ideally when you come out is Sunday afternoon innit?
5725:Is it two o'clock?


5726:I'm not bothered!


5727:Get you a wee dram!
5728:<pause> Go and see this


5729:He might go up there now.


5730:Just nurses now.


5731:Mm.


5732:They could be on their dinner.
5733:Having their dinner.


5734:<unclear > thing about


5735:Well I'll find out.
5736:And I, I'll ask, if they don't, they don't know.
5737:I can but ask.
5738:<pause> Enjoyable.


<unclear >


5739:What do you say?


<unclear >


5740:Do you want me to ask for you?


5741:Okay.


5742:Yep, okay <pause> I'll only be a minute.


5743:Are you being seen to?


5744:No, erm just Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> <pause> is there any news about his <pause> biopsy?


5745:No, but Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> did, did tell him this morning.


5746:Yes, just wondered if there's come


5747:No.


5748:through this morning.


5749:Haven't got


5750:Nothing at all?


5751:Yes, no, not yet.


5752:When is he likely to be <pause> home then?


5753:Could be any time now, we're just waiting tha Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> <pause> explained to him this morning, you know, why it, it ta takes so long


5754:Yeah.


5755:cos it's <pause> <unclear >


5756:It's, yeah explained that to me, just wondering


5757:Yeah.


5758:if there's any chance.
5759:Okay then, thanks a lot.


5760:Hopefully later on.


5761:Right thank you.


5762:I will come and you know, er let you know.


5763:Thank you.


5764:Did you get the <unclear >, no?


5765:No news.


5766:No news?


5767:Nope, no news <pause> no.
5768:Hopefully today she said.


5769:Right.


5770:Hopefully.


5771:Yes.


5772:So when you're


5773:And what is <pause> what does hoping mean?
5774:Would that mean tomorrow or <unclear >?


5775:Now, is hopefully, today.


5776:Oh!


5777:Hopefully today, that's all she said.
5778:She said Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> explained everything that's all there was, you know there was nothing else.


5779:Mm.


5780:And I said maybe you'd <pause> had heard <pause> between Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


5781:Mm.


5782:and <unclear > <pause> but no.
5783:Never mind!


5784:Never mind!


5785:Never mind!
5786:I think it'll be <pause> oh it's dinner time now they'll all be on their dinner, they'll all be on their lunch won't they?


5787:Oh yeah, you can go and see <pause> coming back about four o'clock.


5788:Mm, yeah.
5789:So the, the earliest you'll be home is tomorrow afternoon isn't it?


5790:I would say, yeah.


5791:The earliest.
5792:If not it'll be Sunday.
5793:But if, if do if you don't get it through <pause> this afternoon <pause> it won't be Sunday will it?


5794:It won't be Sunday, home


5795:Er


5796:Monday.


5797:be Monday afternoon <pause> Tuesday.
5798:Yeah.
5799:I think that's what it'll be.
5800:Anyway, better get off, okay?


5801:Yes, thanks for coming.


5802:Yeah, and er <pause> tonight <pause> no idea?
5803:Most likely Paul and mother.
5804:Might get the lads, you might get a pack of cards again and a <pause> did they leave you their cards?


5805:Yeah.


5806:Better give me a game <pause> gonna thrash you <pause> whenever <pause> I could of thrashed at whatever!


5807:Course you could of done!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5808:Can you bring in the, do you need the erm <pause> big board?


5809:No, the crib board?


5810:The crib board.


5811:Mind you, you could use a piece of paper and erm


5812:Yeah.


5813:what do you call it?
5814:A pen.
5815:Can't you?
5816:Do you wanna quick game?
5817:Give


5818:No.


5819:you a quick game.
5820:You sure?
5821:Give you <pause> a quick


5822:I don't


5823:thrashing at <pause> crib!
5824:First to sixty <pause> on the back of there.
5825:Go on!
5826:Get your cards out.

 <unclear >


5827: Ex expect to be thrashed!


5828:Right now can we go and sit down?


5829:Coming down there?
5830:Right, ready?
5831:<pause> I'm a demon at this!
5832:<pause> Okay?
5833:Fives <pause> two


5834:up a bit <pause> the volume is like on this way <pause> you put that up, oh we where's the gear stick don't wanna get that <pause> turning with the gear stick.
5835:You okay, right?
5836:Yep.


<unclear >


5837:It'll be okay.


5838:Yep, well <pause> Alright?


5839:That's oh ah <pause> well this is the last visit.


5840:Oh we'll be seeing him tomorrow.


5841:I mean at <pause> to hospital.


5842:Oh yeah.
5843:Oh won't we visit him in hospital tomorrow morning?


5844: No, no .
5845:We've gotta get over to the bungalow


5846:Move his furniture.


5847:and rearrange the furniture in the bedroom <pause> to the way he wants it.


5848:Yeah.


5849:So that's gonna take a bit of


5850:Lifting, yeah.


5851:lifting and <pause> the best thing <pause> the <pause> to do is to do it when your <pause> grandma's not there.
5852:Otherwise


5853:<unclear > not that grandpa.


5854:Well, I think what'll happen tomorrow is <pause> one of two things, either <pause> your mum <pause> and grandpa <pause> will go to the hospital <pause> and pick grandpa up


5855:Yeah.


5856:oh, must find this seat belt <pause> ca can't find it <pause> won't go in <pause> it's flashing at me saying I haven't got my seat belt, but I have <pause> or <pause> and we'll go off to <pause> Southwold


5857:Yeah.


5858:and get the <pause> bedroom sorted out.


5859:Yeah.


5860:And we'll take with us <pause> whether it'll be yourself <pause> and me, or Tony and me or


5861:All three of us.


5862:you sa the three of us <pause> but <pause> whoever it is <pause> it'll be with Philip as well


5863:Aha.


5864:so <pause> and we'll go in the Metro.


5865:Alright yeah.


5866:Yeah?


5867:Yeah.


5868:Your mum drives down <pause> to Ipswich.


5869:Leicester


5870:picks up the <pause> picks up grandpa


5871:Yeah.


5872:and takes him from the hospital up to Southwold.


5873:Where is sh <pause> yeah.


5874:So <pause> we we're there


5875:With a bottle of wine.


5876:Can we just take that, take that spare cassette?


5877:Yep.


5878:Otherwise it's gonna fly <pause> all over the place!
5879:Keep hold of it.
5880:Erm, we're there we're sorting that out <pause> the other thing is you see grandma will have to go shopping <pause> tomorrow.


5881:Oh yeah.
5882:<pause> Take them out er


5883:So you'll ha she'll have to get this <pause> her supplies in <pause> her provisions.


5884:Her milk, yeah.


5885:The milk and the milk and the milk.


5886:And the other <unclear >.


5887:Yeah.
5888:And then <pause> o over to the bungalow, now she'll either do that <pause> she'll do the shopping <pause> before we go off to <pause> the bungalow, maybe we'll pop down to Asda <pause> and


5889:Yeah.


5890:and get it there <pause> then go back <pause> back home <pause> swap cars, pick up the Metro <pause> and drive over to <pause> Southwold.
5891:If we do that we can only ta I can only take one other passenger along with your grandma and Philip <pause> so that could mean <pause> either yourself or Tony being at home


5892:Oh


5893:staying at home


5894:oh yeah!


5895:or <pause> going down into Ipswich with your mum <pause> and coming up with grandpa.


5896:Yeah.
5897:Has mum told Anne or <pause> or hasn't she?


5898:Told who?


5899:Anne.


5900:No, she's gonna phone Felic up in New Zealand


5901:Oh flipping New Zealand!


5902:tonight <pause> because ten o'clock tonight <pause> here


5903:Is ten o'clock <pause> <unclear >


5904:is New Zealand <pause> in the morning.


5905:I know , yeah.


5906:So if ten o'clock here is <pause> at night, it's ten o'clock in New Zealand <pause> excuse me!


5907:Is that earlier or <pause> <unclear >


5908:In the morning.
5909:They're


5910:So


5911:twelve hours in front of us <pause> exactly aren't we?
5912:Ten


5913:Really?


5914:ten o'clock, ten o'clock


5915:Exactly!
5916:Oh!


5917:Ten o'clock at night, ten o'clock in the morning.


5918:So Felicity's just waking up <pause> oh!
5919:Lucky old thing!


5920:So Felicity now, well yes, they'll just be getting <pause> getting up.


5921: And <pause> she's just getting up !


5922:or opening her eyes.


5923:Oh lucky old


5924:So


5925:her!


5926:your mum's gonna phone <pause> Felic


5927:Yeah.


5928:and she'll phone <pause> Anne <pause> she'll most likely phone <pause> Joan <pause> and the rest of them.


5929:Yeah.


5930:To le <pause> that the end is not nigh <pause> he's gone <pause> <vocal desc=sigh> <pause> it's postponed


5931:He's tricked us again, yeah.


5932:He's tricked us again.
5933:Stop


5934:That


5935:playing with that!


5936:Do you hear that?
5937:The champagne's going on top of him! <vocal desc=laugh>


5938:That Champagne's gro growing what?


5939:It's gonna be poured over him!


5940:Poured over him?


5941:Yeah.


5942:I don't think he'd appreciate that!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


5943:Poured down him, yeah but not over him.
5944:<pause> Christ I've been up and down this road <pause> this week!


5945:Get to this hospital with your eyes shut now!


5946:Not far off.
5947:<pause> What a way to spend your holiday eh?


5948:Oh it's a good end to the holiday.


5949:Oh yeah, couldn't of been a better end!
5950:This news is brilliant!


5951:Yeah.


5952:So he might get his wall built but he might have to wait a year <pause> before he starts it.


5953:We can give him a hand as well.


5954:Yeah but


5955:Like mixing cement <unclear >


5956:I don't think he'll be making it this year Paul.


5957:No <pause> it's just tha he won't be but he might be doing light jobs like say <pause> putting, putting up pictures in about two months <pause> er <pause> er


5958:He was within a <pause> a whisker of death!
5959:Do you, he was as close to death <pause> if he hadn't have gone in <pause> se to Ipswich <pause> and seen <pause> the specialist at the time he did <pause> er


5960:Yeah.


5961:another day or two and that would have been it!


5962:Really?


5963:He was as close to death as that!


5964:He was in pain when he'd just got here.


5965:Yeah, his body would have just <pause> couldn't have taken much more!


5966:Yeah.
5967:<pause> I mean he's made about fifty percent recovery in hospital hasn't he?


5968:Well when <pause> when the doctor saw him <pause> on <pause> a fortnight ago <pause> this Friday <pause> today, a fortnight ago today <pause> the doctor phoned the ward and said <pause> have you got a bed <pause> I've got a man here who's be <pause> who is between myself and my curry <pause> dinner time <pause> and you could <pause> be saving two people's lives <pause> my life <pause> cos he was so hungry


5969:Mhm.


5970:and your grandpa's <pause> cos he was so poorly.
5971:You know, when people pull out in front of you on the road


5972:It's annoying.


5973:they <pause> you brake


5974:Why do they do that?


5975:I don't know why do it then and then drive slowly!
5976:If they're gonna drive so slowly why do they


5977:He's even on the wrong side


5978:make these


5979:of the road!


5980:crazy manoeuvres to <pause> nip in front of you and then drive like a <pause> snail!


5981:I think we've got mum to thank as well for erm <pause> convincing the doctor to send him into Southwold.


5982:Well I think when your mum went


5983:Yeah.


5984:to see the family G P <pause> in Southwold <pause> I think that got things moving <pause> because I don't they would have done anything, they'd have just accepted that <pause> this is the end, you know, he's gonna die in agony.
5985:And when <pause> because the family doctor really know whe anything that was happening <pause> but was holding on the phone <pause> over the phone, oh <pause> he's got a pain <pause> you know.
5986:Those painkillers you've ar aren't good enough.
5987:Not, could you come out and have a look at the chap!
5988:I think you just <pause> assume that <pause> if you give somebody painkillers and they don't work, oh that's it!
5989:That's the end of the story.
5990:<pause> Bye bye to this world!


5991:Yeah.


5992:They failed to realize <pause> that you need <pause> it's your own body


5993:Yeah.


5994:it's your own body and you <pause> have got some say in what happens to it, or what doesn't happen to it.


5995:Aha.


5996:And if you're not satisfied with what is happening <pause> or not happening <pause> you should say something <pause> but grandma insists that she mustn't upset


5997:People


5998:mustn't upset the doctors


5999:Better to be ill.


6000:ooh if you upset the doctors when you're ill, when you're really ill <pause> they won't let you into hospital!
6001: Tha <pause> that's her attitude!


6002:Seventeenth century.


6003:I don't know what century it is but it's <pause> it's a crazy attitude!


6004:Yeah.


6005:Don't, don't upset them, don't say anything, don't <unclear >!
6006:<pause> Well this thing about this car


6007:Yeah.


6008:it's been going on now for what?
6009:This new car

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6010:it's going on now for seven weeks


6011:Put your foot down and say I want that car whe <pause> if you don't, if you don't do it now

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6012:we'll just change company!
6013:If you said that maybe they'd get it the next day wouldn't they?


6014:Well I don't know whether they'd get it but <pause> they don't want to upset people, the fact that <pause> they've been <pause> really inconvenienced by <pause> not having it <pause> doesn't seem to come into their thinking.
6015:<pause> The only <pause> people they don't want to upset <pause> are the people at the garage <pause> the fact that somebody isn't doing their job properly <pause> somebody's <pause> sitting on a form somewhere


6016:Oh yeah.


6017:not making a decision


6018:Like me.


6019:and they're allowed to get away with that <pause> sort of <pause> gently <pause> what was it <pause> his cosy middle job <pause> could ta you know where you don't make a decision <pause> where you <pause> everything around you is nice and cosy here if <pause> provided you don't make a decision <pause> nothing will happen!
6020:And if nothing happens <pause> it's even cosier!
6021:And so it goes on and on and until somebody <pause> gives them a kick up the backside <pause> they'll continue like that forever and ever <pause> amen and a day!


6022:Oh yeah.
6023:I, though remember erm


6024:And that's what your <pause> grandma doesn't want to upset people like that


6025:She won't


6026:in jobs


6027:she won't complain in a restaurant


6028:in jobs like that <unclear >.


6029:will she?


6030:No!


6031:And if <pause> if the soup was cold <pause> she'd complain after it <pause> tell everyone how bad it was but she won't


6032:Well er <pause> I thi maybe, maybe


6033:well maybe that's why.


6034:that's typical of Britain!


6035:Yeah.


6036:We accept things.


6037:We shouldn't.


6038:That's where the Americans score over us


6039:Yeah.


6040:they speak out, they're clear <pause> what they want, what they don't want <pause> mind you <pause> they go over the top a little bit

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6041:at times.
6042:With the yahoos and the screams and the <pause> what's happening over there?
6043:<pause> See it?
6044:It's a breakdown I think.


6045: Oh !
6046:<unclear > Sunday.


6047:Oh we'll have a game of crib tonight.


6048:I don't like crib!


6049:Well what do you fancy playing then?


6050:We'd played Chase the Maker last night that was brilliant!
6051:I had three attempts at trying to clear <pause> get all the hearts <unclear > right, just keep <unclear >.


6052:<unclear > <pause> <unclear > just lose.


6053:Yeah.


6054:Well he beat me at dinner at erm


6055:Oh aye.


6056:at crib.
6057:We had a game of crib at dinner.
6058:What's happening here?
6059:What's happening?


6060:Er


6061:Seven and half tons is it <pause> weight limit?


6062:Mm.


6063:Is this the new

 <unclear >


6064:thing?
6065:They're trying to <pause> relieve the <pause> congestion on this Norwich Road


6066:Trying to stop these things?


6067:by trying to stop, yes.
6068:Well they can't stop that one cos the bakery's here.
6069:They can't stop the lorries coming over to the bakery <pause> cos the bakery's just on the road <pause> can they?


6070:Well they'll try.
6071:They'll have <unclear >


6072:What do they do?
6073:Do they have a chain of people or a conveyer belt <pause> going across the football fields?


6074:No , they'll let everyone


6075:With bread on it!


6076:They'll let everyone but the lorries.


6077:Everyone but them.


6078:Or special <pause> I mean lorries will have <unclear > with them and sa and say oh yes you can go and use this road.
6079:You have to pay for half of the upkeep of the roads.


6080:I wish they'd put more of the stuff on to the


6081:Why, why they didn't leave


6082:on to the rails.


6083:that erm <pause> other entrance open, I'll never know!


6084:The old Norwich Road entrance?


6085:Yeah <pause> why didn't they leave it open?


6086:Because you'd have got a queue of traffic here, you'd have had a terrible junction


6087:Ah yeah!


6088:here.


6089:You would of.


6090:Just back up there.


6091:Oh, this car could do with a car wash as well couldn't it?


6092:We're not going into a car wash.


6093:Oh!


6094:If you want


6095:Yeah.


6096:I'll give you a bucket

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6097:warm water, warm soapy water and a good sponge


6098:Urgh!


6099:plenty of ho warm soapy water


6100:I dunno you keep the doing car wash! <vocal desc=laugh>


6101:You can be the car wash.


6102:I don't want to.


6103:You can be mister automatic himself.


6104:That's a flipping joke though we cleaned everything!
6105:The


6106:Wisht!
6107:We didn't!
6108:You look at the back!


6109:It cleaned everything but the erm <pause> ro


6110: a


6111:the round number plate <pause> if it had <pause> if it had gone round to there again it would have done it.


6112:It wasn't the number plate, is was the whole of the back there, it didn't really clean the back.


6113:Oh yeah.


6114:There's a Christmas tree <pause> there.


6115:What?


6116:See it?


6117:Yeah.
6118:Yeah, I saw one in


6119:The lights on that car <pause> like a Christmas tree.


6120:I saw one erm <pause> I saw an actual Christmas tree up <pause> in erm <pause> you know <pause> the library when you come out in the road to library onto <pause> the main road?


6121:Which library?


6122:In the <pause> Ipswich library


6123:Yeah <pause> which


6124:on that road <pause> the


6125: he


6126:library road


6127:And you come out onto the main road?


6128:Yeah.


6129:The one runs across the


6130:the Crumpalls yeah.


6131:oh, Crumpalls Road, yes.


6132:Bury Street , yeah.
6133:<pause> Erm <pause> there's a shop <pause> erm <pause> that's right up when you come out at the library <pause> th on the <pause> er, pelican crossing


6134:I know where you mean but I can't


6135:Well there's a shop there's still got a Christmas


6136:I can't picture the shop.


6137:tree in it.


6138:A shop did?


6139:Yeah, still had a Christmas tree in his window !


6140:Ever tell you about the erm <pause> a house Nottingham


6141:No.


6142:When I <pause> when I was learning to drive <pause> it was oh, right at the August, September time


6143:Yeah.


6144:and this house <pause> facing the <pause> the part of Nottingham they call the forest <pause> it's <pause> it's not Nottingham Forest but it's <pause> called the forest, it's where they have the goose fair <pause> each year.
6145:And <pause> it was one of a <pause> a long row of <pause> of Victorian <pause> I suppose semi <pause> er, semis or terraced, big houses, like these here <pause> bit


6146:Erm


6147:like those


6148:Yeah.


6149:okay?
6150:But I don't thi like these are detached or semi <pause> it was more like that, that's it, like that there


6151:Oh yeah.


6152:long rows, but they're semis as well aren't they?
6153:Anyway <pause> it was the type of house you looked into it and you expected to see cobwebs <pause> you know, sort of fustiness <pause> sor


6154:Yeah.


6155:erm <pause> as if a window had never been opened for years and years and years <pause> that type of a house.


6156:Yeah.


6157:It had the feel of it <pause> this little garden you know, the doors, the paintwork everything about it <pause> it gave you that feel.
6158:<pause> Ah <pause> home okay?
6159:And


6160:Yeah.


6161:erm <pause> I was driving past it <pause> learning to drive, concentrating like <pause> mad <pause> and the driving instructor <pause> er, said to me, and it was only the second <pause> what, second, third, fourth lesson, it was early on <pause> in the


6162:Yeah.


6163:lesson he said to me <pause> just look at Christmas in that house!
6164:And I'm concentrating on the road


6165:Yeah.


6166:and the traffic and it's Nottingham and it's a busy place <pause> he said look at that !
6167:Like a fool I looked!


6168:And what happened?


6169:Nothing happened, but


6170:Oh yeah.


6171:I should never have looked and he should never really have said <pause> just look at that, oh aye!


6172:Feel right silly! <vocal desc=laugh>


6173:Well <pause> well for years after it


6174:Yeah.


6175:when I drove past that


6176:Oh you used to


6177:I used to look in there <pause> and there was the Christmas tree and the Christmas decorations <pause> and they're always up right through the year <pause> they never took them down!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6178:So they're the first up with the Christmas tree decorations each year.


6179:The last down.


6180:And the last

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6181:down.


6182: Oh !


6183:Twenty to eight.


6184:Did Tony tell you his purple knight joke?


6185:Yes!
6186:Yeah.


6187:Indigo, red.


6188:What was indigo?
6189:Oh no, what the other one, the black knight?
6190:That's right.


6191:The black knight, I told you


6192:Oh no.


6193:I told you that in Spain


6194:No.


6195:I think when we were <pause> walking down <pause> you know <pause> in co <pause> in Compesso


6196:Yep.


6197:And walking along that erm <pause> early one morning <pause> erm <pause> that the <pause> they have a channel <pause> those one way channels


6198:Oh the erm


6199:Yeah, wha what are


6200:aqueducts.


6201:those things?
6202:Aqueducts, yeah went over water.
6203:<pause> Well it took me about er <pause> ten minutes to tell it, it just took ages and


6204:And what was his reaction at the end of that?


6205:Don't know <unclear >


6206:Did he thump you?


6207: he did <pause> he got <unclear > !
6208:Black knight, black knight I was nearly at <unclear >


6209:Pardon?


6210:What's he, black knight, <unclear > black <unclear >.


6211:Who does he know?


6212:Daren't say that to him!


6213:Who is pipping for?


6214:I dunno maybe his hor his horn is stuck! <pause> <vocal desc=whistling>


6215:He had a bit of a cold this morning.


6216:Oh did he?


6217:Yeah.
6218:His eyes were a bit watery, runny nose <pause> I hope it doesn't start, if he gets home and starts with the flu <pause> ha! <vocal desc=laugh>


6219:No, <unclear >


6220:That's all he'll need!
6221:Poor chap!


6222:I hope he doesn't because erm <pause> the people on chemotherapy in that ward


6223:Mm.


6224:if they get a cold, they'll be in trouble!


6225:That's right.


<unclear >


6226:They erm


6227:They <pause> they've gotta be erm


6228:Pretty healthy.


6229:Yeah, we were talking to erm


6230:Yeah, try and keep it down, chemotherapy.


6231:we were talking to Ted the other day


6232:Yeah.


6233:and he says he


6234:Oh he's back?


6235:yeah, he says the main ingredient for the chemotherapy <pause> is periwinkle.


6236:What part of the periwinkle?


6237:One of the main, that's one of <pause> yeah <pause> and it's poison!


6238:Which part of the periwinkle?


6239:Dunno, I think it's the <pause> er, the <unclear > sort of thing, I'm not sure?


6240:The what?


6241:I expect it's the petals and


6242:The petals?


6243:I'm not sure.


6244:Really?


6245:It's part of the flower.


6246:How much periwinkle have we got round our back door?


6247:A lot.


6248:A lot!
6249:Are you


6250:They've got


6251:periwinkle?


6252:Yeah that's what he said.


6253:The flower periwinkle?


6254:Yeah.


6255:Not winkles the


6256:No <pause> the periwinkle.


6257:the mollusc?


6258:That little tiny blue flower.
6259:<pause> Ah ! <pause> bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum


6260:We're doing well here!
6261:<pause> Doesn't take us long in the evening.


6262:Strange that isn't it?


6263:Traffic moves along <pause> smoother.


6264:Cor!


6265:There seems to be as much traffic


6266:Yeah.


6267:you see it always seems to re <pause> move more smoothly in the evening.


6268:It's a Friday tonight <unclear >


6269:Pardon?


6270:It's Friday today so everyone's <pause> sort of relaxed and good.


6271:Ready for the weekend.


6272:Yeah. <vocal desc=laugh>


6273:Maybe, maybe not.


6274:Some of the people are lucky you've got half term now. <pause> <vocal desc=laugh>


6275:Half term skiing.


6276:Yeah, a lot of people have <pause> in our school do that <pause> summer.


6277:Really?
6278:Have you got


6279:Yeah. <unclear >


6280:plenty going?


6281:Yeah.
6282: A and on the skiing trip, no fourth years allowed to go in that.


6283:Why's that?
6284:Let's, just a minute let get this


6285:He's er


6286:got stopped here.


6287:You've got the ma erm course <pause> maths coursework <pause> and it's gonna take place.


6288:Oh, and because it's going to gi <pause> go in to your


6289:Yeah then it'll coursework time


6290:coursework time?


6291:Yeah.
6292:It'll be si <pause> ski trip will be when we have our maths' coursework <pause> so <pause> the there was about ten fourth years going they're really <pause> annoyed!
6293:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> But the thing is we're going to Edale when we've got our maths coursework.


6294:Right.


6295:I want <unclear >.
6296:<pause> interesting <unclear >.
6297:They'll let you do a <pause> activity, this has been going for years but they won't let you.


6298:What, does everybody go <pause> on the Edale visit as well?


6299:There's about two people who don't usually.


6300:Well and maybe that's the reason why.


6301:What?


6302:Because <pause> you'll be going on two visits one to <pause> to the skiing <pause> and one <pause> to the Edale


6303:No, the reason why is cos it clashes with the coursework.


6304:But the time, the sessions <pause> of your coursework you mean?


6305:Yeah.
6306:Think so.
6307:<pause> Oi, imagine living in one of those houses there you'd be woken up all night by ambulances sw <pause> blaring away!


6308:I don't think they blare away as they come into the hospital.
6309:<pause> They only

 <unclear >


6310:they only put the sirens on erm <pause> when they want to cle <pause> clear a way through traffic.


6311:Yeah.


6312:But if there's no need to <pause> er, make a loud noise


6313:Yeah but it gets them <unclear >


6314:they don't


6315:especially


6316:they don't put er <pause> any sirens on.
6317:And if a patient's really ill <pause> they try to keep it as smooth <pause> and fast a ride as possible.


6318:I think if i if they <pause> they


6319:So they don't frighten them, you know, if you're lying there <pause> you're having a heart attack or you just had one the last thing you want to hear <pause> is sort of the <pause> noise of the siren, the panicking noise of a siren.


6320: Nee na nee na nee na nee na nee na na .


6321:Well this is the last time this hospital we hope.


6322:Oh yeah.


6323:Your mum'll do the rounds tomorrow the <pause> the visits tomorrow <pause> pick him up.


6324:The packing.


6325:That packing and the picking and the


6326:The, the


6327:portering, pick, pack, porter!


6328:Bet he's looking forward to it as well isn't he?


6329:There's a little bit of alliteration for you.
6330:Eh?
6331:Pick, pack, porter!
6332:Have you taken your seat belt off?


6333:Yeah.


6334:If we have an accident the insurance is null and void!
6335:Did you know that?
6336:No?


6337:Yeah.
6338:Suppose so!


6339:What do you mean suppose so!


<unclear >


6340:It's true so


6341:Shall I take this tape with me?


6342:Mm, yeah.


6343:Oh!


6344:Oh no, let's put this off.
6345:<pause> Lock it.
6346:<pause> I'll turn this off now.


6347:It's halfway through


<unclear >


6348:You're turning it on again.


6349:<unclear > it's <pause> got <pause> put my <unclear > on.
6350:Take it <unclear > still no!
6351: Oh !
6352:<pause> How you feeling then, okay?


6353:Alright.


6354:How's your cold?
6355:Is it a bit better?
6356:Still a bit rough?


6357:<unclear > No, it


6358:Little bit


6359:it's alright.


6360:a bit in the eyes a bit


6361:A bit in the eyes, yeah.


6362:Yeah, you're a bit wet in the eyes.


6363:<unclear > you're alright.


6364:Seems to be brighter in here for some reason.


6365:It what?


6366:It's brighter in here.


6367:Brighter?


6368:It's


6369:She hasn't three lights on tonight.
6370:And she hasn't got two, that means it's the first time I've seen those three lights on.


6371:Never noticed.
6372:Never noticed.
6373:Right so


6374:So I've had some more of <unclear > brandy in those.


6375:Ooh my God!


6376:If


6377:You


6378:I put the kettle we can do it.


6379:It didn't quite hit the fan <pause> it didn't quite!
6380:<vocal desc=laugh> Aye, well <pause> erm <pause> Paula will be coming here I think <pause> in the morning.


6381:Ha, yeah!


6382:I'll be taking the <pause> Metro <pause> <unclear > mum's.
6383:<unclear > We'll do your bedroom for you <pause> okay?
6384:Sort that out.


6385:Why, has she got it all in hand has she?


6386:No.


6387:No, not at all.


6388:But she says she hasn't <unclear >.
6389:What she and she's done <pause> right.
6390:So I'll do that <pause> so in the i


6391: I it doesn't really matter now.


6392:But if he'll get it done, he'll get it done the next <pause> it's one less thing.


6393:But I don't <unclear > happen anyway.


6394:So they


6395:When's she going to do it?


6396:Don't know yet.


6397:We haven't


6398:I left them to sort things <pause> like that out.


<unclear >


6399:She wants, she wanted me tonight <pause> to do your packing for you.


6400:Do my what?


6401:Your packing.


6402:Packing

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6403:my clothes. <unclear >


6404:Yes.


6405:Yeah.


6406:I think she showed us how to do

 <unclear >


6407:No <pause> she said <pause> I'm not doing that.
6408:I said Paula can do that when she comes tomorrow.


6409:Yeah.


6410:Bring a bag with her.
6411:And there's no I'll come <pause> I'll do it for him!


6412:All I, all I want is a carrier bag.


6413:That's it.


6414:Yeah.


6415:But she said no <pause> I'd better come tomorrow with Paula as well.
6416:Paula said yeah, Paula said er <pause> I think I could <pause> I could <pause> <unclear >, you know.


6417:Mm.


6418:But I'd nothing.
6419:So she's going to Southwold <pause> to Philip <pause> the Metro <pause> and me.
6420:Now but Paula <pause> Paul will come with us <pause> or Tony <pause> or <unclear > whatever <pause> Paul and Tony can come with Paula okay?
6421:I have a feeling you'll have one of these two, yeah.


6422:Well the best thing to do <pause> when they're to come here <pause> I mean, they might be ready for coming here before you're off to er <pause> Southwold.


6423:Well it's gonna take you longer, it's gonna take them longer


6424:It is.


6425:to come here <pause> pick


6426:Yes.


6427:up your stuff


6428:Mm.


6429:sort yourself out, say cheerio and the rest of it here


6430:Yeah.


6431:all on, all on here I suppose really, cheerio, cheerio and the rest


6432:Actually, yeah.


6433:of it <pause> and then get up the A twelve


6434:Mm.


6435:so it's gonna take you


6436:Time.


6437:it's gonna take longer, by the time <pause> I leave Southwold


6438:In other words you're you're leaving <pause> you're both leaving together.


6439:If we leave about together.
6440: Cos I don't think <unclear > .


6441:You're leaving out together.


6442:We'll, we'll get down at Southwold


6443:It takes us about forty minutes to get there


6444:Yeah.


6445:It'll take


6446:It'll take about


6447:by the time we've had our third cup of tea yo you might be leaving here.


6448:Oh yes, that's right.


6449:I dunno.


6450:No, we should be leaving it <pause> we <pause> er


6451:It takes ha about twenty minutes, half an hour to get here.


6452:Yeah, and you should get up <pause> you should get home in twenty minutes <unclear >

 <vocal desc=cough>


6453:and er <pause> than I do.


6454:No, it only takes me about forty minute, no hold on!
6455:Er forty min


6456:Forty five minutes.


6457:Forty minutes plus five minutes.


6458:Well it'll take twenty minutes to get here <pause> and it'll take about <pause> forty minutes to get the other way.


6459:Yeah.
6460:And you've got all the shenanigans


<unclear >


6461:of here.
6462:Well you got your pyjamas, you got your glasses, you got


6463:I'll come and take <unclear >


6464:Got your Polo, you got your


6465:<unclear > six o'clock in the morning they wake me up time!


6466:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> You, you


6467:Just be patient!


6468:Be patient!


6469:You <unclear >?


6470:A mu


<unclear >


6471:and do as your told!


6472:<unclear > he said

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6473:he says, he says can we do it tonight?
6474:He looked at the clock


6475:Who said that?


6476:The doctor.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6477:He said would you like to get home, he said I'm sure you would? <unclear > <pause> well <pause> no he said <pause> as far as he was concerned he could leave us


6478:Yeah.


6479:and then it'll be till Tuesday he's already got some <pause> even though they gotta be sent out to the firm <pause> <unclear >


6480:Mm.


6481:whereas he's gotta <unclear > he says just one round here <pause> so they could make decisions for you <pause> <unclear >.


6482:Mm.


6483:And yes he says


6484:Oh Matt hasn't made his decision then?


6485:Oh no!


6486:I told mother he had!


6487:Oh well that's alright.


6488:She thought


6489:Oh God!


6490:Well you <pause> play along with that then <pause> right?


6491:Mm.


6492:Okay?
6493:The big <pause> the big <unclear >.


6494:And when er <pause> when er <pause> when he finds out he'll then decide <pause> when he wants to see me again


6495:Right.


6496:as a <pause> as an outpatient.


6497:How will you get here?
6498:Will they expect you to drive down?
6499:Or will it be by


6500:Oh aye but


<unclear >


6501:to tell you some truth


6502:Oh!
6503:News about the car as well


6504:Listen, did you tell Anne <unclear >?


6505:Yeah.


6506:I was going to tell her you know <pause> <unclear > half with mother <pause> and up, up there


6507:Today?


6508:No, to to tomorrow, tenth of August.


6509:Mm.


6510:Tell Paula to come in and get me here, get me here


6511:Mm.


6512:drive me to your place <pause> and she <unclear >


6513:Mm.


6514:and you <unclear >


6515:No <pause> you're not ready for that, you've sat in here for two weeks!


6516:Mind you, just the majority of <unclear >


6517:Yes.
6518:Takes it out of you.


6519:I couldn't I say I couldn't eat.


6520:Oh you couldn't no <pause> it's no good.


<unclear >


6521: Na no <pause> couldn't of done that!
6522:News about the car!


6523:Aye, good!


6524:He had a phone call back from the garage


6525:Yeah.


6526:today <pause> second week in March.


6527:Aye.


6528:Oh he went, he went to tell him he's got his <unclear >.


6529:You're saying I won't <pause> that's right.


6530:Did I tell you earlier what I thi <pause> what I think it is, is <pause> these quotas, these monthly quotas


6531:Yeah.


6532:Well what you do is <unclear >


6533:Philip says <pause> oh yeah, here you go but he's, on Monday he's going to phone up the mobility people


6534:Yeah.


6535:yeah, but is that the D H S S?


6536:No.


6537:Well is it separate


6538:Mm.


6539:departments completely?
6540:And er, he's going to phone them up Monday <pause> and see what's happening.


6541:Well I think <pause> <unclear >.


6542:It's


6543:He's being too


6544:When did he <pause> when did he choose the car?


6545:He didn't say.


6546:But when he did say yes I'll have that one and so on and that


6547:January.


6548:January?
6549:Early January or late January?


6550:Middle.


6551:Middle of January, that's what I'm sa <pause> that's two, six, eight weeks it's going to take!


6552:That's rotten innit!


6553:Eight weeks.


6554:Why?
6555:It's <unclear >


6556:But is is that usual though, so they usually take <pause> a form up for this mobility thing?


6557:He can have that <unclear >.


6558:Oh it don't look too bad, it's three out.


6559:These rooms they only have a certain


6560:Because there's <pause> I wish you'd shut up about you and your royalty!


6561:Say what?


6562:Royalty!
6563:If it was royalty


6564:Just because he might be royalty.


6565:If he was royalty he'd have it done in a day!


6566:Yeah.


6567:<unclear > and do a good job!


6568:Royalty don't apply for <unclear >!


6569:I dunno, they just <pause> because that's


6570: <unclear > !


6571:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Anyway <pause> er, so that's what's happening there.
6572:Said about a fortnight <pause> you might, you might have this new erm <pause> <unclear > <pause> this new car.


6573:I believe it when I see it!


6574:That's right!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6575:What colour was it <pause> that he chose?


6576:Silver.


6577:Metallic silver is it?


6578:It's only <pause> metallic <pause> silver, grey.


6579:Have you seen it boy?


6580:Ah ah.


6581:No?
6582:Have you seen it?


6583:No <pause> but I know what colour, I've seen <pause> I've seen Nissan Micras in that colour.


6584:Is it a dark metallic silver?


6585:No, it's light metallic silver, it's <unclear > whitey <pause> <unclear >


6586:Oh it's not like that


6587:or something.


6588:it's not like that Paul's pointing to


6589:Like that?


6590:is it?


6591:No.
6592:No, no it's darker.


6593:Yeah.

 <vocal desc=cough>


6594:Anything like that there?


6595:Yeah, maybe <pause> <unclear >.


6596:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> I can take the truth!


6597:Yeah.


6598:As you can see it's starting <unclear >


6599:So she's flapping tonight <pause> packing everything up?


6600:Yep.


6601:Making a list of what's


6602:She won't sleep tonight.


6603:she's making a list of she's


6604:First thing she said was <pause> I'll have to get my


6605:Some milk!


6606:How many?


6607:Four pints of milk!
6608:I had to get four pints of milk, you know <pause> oh honestly <unclear >


6609:But <unclear > I wonder if she's going to write a list <pause> and do her shopping.


6610:We had


6611:Well


6612:noticed!


6613:I think have somebody had er half <pause> suggested it and then said oh no, that's a daft idea!
6614:She'd have taken it!
6615:She'd have followed the hunt and <unclear >.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6616:Somebody had been shopping with her now.
6617:So it's <pause> Paul <pause> Paula's erm


6618:How much?


6619:back there.


6620:All she wants is a tease!
6621:What is she like <pause> in some er


6622:Some milk <unclear >


6623:Bread.


6624:Bread <pause> and <pause> got some sausages <pause> bit of erm <pause> boiled ham <pause> which you can pick up on the way through


6625:Yeah.


6626:you can pick up that at the er <pause> <unclear >.


6627:Well we had the ham <pause> we've had that tonight <pause> she's bought that.


6628:When?


6629:Has she?


6630:Yeah.


6631:When?


6632:The thing is, Paula said <pause> I can't see what she really wants to shop for because <pause> just before

 <unclear >


6633:she came <pause> to us <pause> Paula took her up to Safeways <pause> Safeways in <pause> Carlton Colville <pause> and she said she did an enormous shop


6634:Yeah <pause> don't bother shopping


6635:took it all took it


6636:Have you <pause> have you seen na nan pay for it?


6637:Yeah, yeah.


6638:Have you seen them?


<unclear >


<unclear >


6639: The there's not room in it!


6640:I know, well she's gonna fill that up again.


6641:I'm going to <pause> I'm going to put the <pause> put another big sink out because that's


6642:And jus just, just for the shopping?


6643:Sorry?


6644:Just for the four pints of milk each


6645:Yeah.


6646:week?


6647:Yeah.


6648:Or each <pause> each weekend.


6649:Yeah.
6650:Each weekend?
6651:<pause> It's


6652:Well


6653:every other day!


6654:It's every other day, four pints?


6655:There's delivered from the milkman <pause> I swa


6656:Per day?


6657:a day


6658:Yeah.


6659:and then at least three, four pints <unclear > <pause> so we've


6660:Per week?


6661:so we should see some milk shouldn't we?


6662:You're doing well then <pause> keep them <pause> your farmers happy!


6663:When we went to Sue's it's all drunk


6664:That's fourteen, twenty six


<unclear >


6665:Eh, I've been there <pause> I've been there and there and there's eight nine pints sitting around!


6666:There's that, and there's never anything <pause> really, only <pause> the only thing is the milk puddings <pause> see you get this pudding she makes <pause> <unclear >.


6667:Yeah.
6668:She must have shares in Daisy!


6669: Yeah !
6670:She's, she's <pause> pi she'd buy her own <unclear >.


6671:No, the only the only, the only milk that gets turned out <pause> is when she makes drinks, milky drinks <pause> she puts too much in the pan <pause> be be because she make them!


6672:Yeah <pause> she put four pints in does she? <vocal desc=laugh>


6673: No <pause> she puts enough for four in


6674:Yeah.


6675:it isn't, there's hardly enough


6676:Yeah, this is it.


6677:there's hardly enough for two in <pause> and then she has to do another two <pause> only, only she can't pour it in after it's <unclear >.


6678:We we had a great thing tonight at tea didn't we?
6679:What did we


6680:What?


6681:have <pause> tonight, at tea?


<unclear >


6682:What was that?


6683:Oh oh <unclear >, yeah.


6684:No

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6685:on the table.


6686: Oh but <unclear > .


6687:Oh but the what?


6688: Fin finished his meal.


6689:Everything!


6690:Everything!


6691:It's the novelty.


6692:Everything, he did yeah.


6693:And he pointed it out, this brother ooh look he's finished, he's eaten everything!
6694:And he'd left more <pause> on his plate <pause> and


6695:Aye that's right.


6696:Philip had all these bits so <pause> so Philip got all <pause> got all the bits and <pause> and eat them <pause> and Paul got all his bits so we had six clean plates! <unclear > thing, not a thing thrown away.


6697:Right.


6698:How about that?


6699:Why did you have?


6700:Ah!
6701:Chicken, ham and leek pie


6702:With sweetcorn.


6703:sweetcorn, broccoli


6704:Nice potatoes, <unclear >.


6705:they looked, they're this


6706:Scallop.


6707:scallop


6708:scallop, yeah with the skin on.


6709:Mm, fried <pause> big chips!


6710:Erm <pause> I think that was it.


<unclear >


6711:Oh yeah.


6712:We had four


6713:Oh no, it was in, in that, that roll!


6714:four or five scallops


6715:That mi that chicken roll.


6716:and a chicken roll


6717:<unclear > <unclear > perhaps she'd actually made these <unclear > er <pause> bread pudding.


6718:Oh well, after it


<unclear >


6719:No we had rice pudding after it, Tony had his ri <pause> hates rice pudding, so had cold rice pudding!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6720:I had that, it was lovely that, Paul had it hot.
6721:Never had <pause> cold rice pudding.


6722:I didn't think

 <unclear >


6723:he'd like that!


6724:Lovely!
6725:It's really refreshing!


6726:Oh it's disgusting!


6727:Beautiful!


6728:It's like <unclear >!


6729:Gorgeous!


6730:<unclear > <pause> looks like it as well !


6731:Put some ketchup on, tomato ketchup, oh ho! <vocal desc=laugh>


6732: Oh, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho, ho !

 <unclear >


6733: Stir it up, stir it up, oh oh !

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6734:Better than jam!


6735:Well it's one thing I mean it's <unclear > right here haven't I?


6736:Oh <unclear >, it's been different! <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6737:If nothing else it's been different!


6738:Mm.


6739:Different start to the year.


6740:It's <unclear > start of the year int it?


6741:Yeah.


6742:Only just!


6743:Ah dear!


6744:You look tired again.
6745:You look full of a


6746:I


6747:cold.


<unclear >


6748:I haven't slept all day.


6749:All day?


6750:No it's


6751:You're too excited!


6752:Yeah, I want to get out, it's <pause> yo you need to get out <unclear >.


6753:Mm, gets into you.


6754:Didn't get any, much sleep last night.


6755:You didn't?


6756:No.


6757:I should of brought you a drop of the hard stuff then <pause> ah, and got you


6758:No, no.


6759:I think a bottle of <unclear >.


6760:Ah <pause> just ask, just ask him for a drop of <unclear > <pause> <unclear >

 <vocal desc=cough>


6761:He had a doctor in this morning?


6762:He was sitting down then all of sudden <unclear > <pause> he had this bottle of scotch <pause> and he told <unclear > bring some whisky down .


6763:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Oh God!


6764:<vocal desc=cough> He <pause> <vocal desc=cough> <pause> I think he's <unclear >.


6765:He's forty five or sixty five?


6766:<unclear > that's the last one, look, last one <unclear > that's good.


6767:What about erm <pause> these little <pause> going away gift <pause> do you want them <pause> do you wanna get some choccies for them or


6768:Yes.
6769:Just get a box of these ones.


6770:Yeah!
6771:Well you <pause> Pa <pause> Paula thought you know, if you come back when you're erm <pause> what do you call it?
6772:Your outpatients visit


6773:Yeah.


6774:er it's <pause> when you're gonna bring it then?
6775:It's up to you.


<unclear >


6776:If you said tonight, you know, what you want <pause> to bring for them


6777:Yeah.


6778:or whether <pause> you want to leave it until <pause> as an out patient.


6779:See if we can get it <pause> tomorrow some time.


6780:Yeah.


6781:<unclear > or the <unclear >.


6782:This one?


6783:Yeah.
6784:Or maybe just ask the er <pause> the chap with the arm round her.


6785:Could do, <unclear >.


6786:Right.


6787:Oh!

 <unclear > <unclear >


6788:I can smell food.


<unclear >


6789:I ain't spoke to John today, he's been asleep or else ignoring me!


6790:Oh he's been asleep, yes!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6791:Right.


6792:I told her <unclear >.


6793:You have to take that off don't you?


6794:That'll come off with my milk.


6795:You take that back with you <pause> a souvenir!


6796:Get a hacksaw <unclear >!


6797:Off what?


6798:Off that.
6799:Ooh <pause> could do a bit swapping with some of those couldn't you? <vocal desc=laugh>


6800:Yeah, it's all mixed up.


6801:I think they'll know me by now <pause> <unclear >.


<unclear >


6802:So what else has happened?


6803:Erm <pause> nothing much.


6804:What's happened <pause> today?


6805:Paula went into school this afternoon <pause> well today.


6806:Yeah.
6807:I know, her mother's been <unclear >


6808:She's


<unclear >


6809:Yeah.


6810:had a cha <pause> had a chat with Mary

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6811:Who, who's had a chat with Mary?


6812:Mother.


6813:Oh her mother.


6814:Mary came back.
6815:<pause> And er


<unclear >


6816:had a good talk <pause> and erm


6817:She might, mother will know <unclear > <pause> how much <unclear > <pause> mother's business nobody know, I don't patronize, I don't think any <unclear >.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6818:She just <pause> she just feels, she doesn't think!


6819:And <pause> that chap, you know the <pause> chap that's doing the doors in Paula's <pause> school?


6820:Oh yeah.


6821:He was in today <pause> they weren't

 <unclear >


6822:<unclear > <pause> Paula was just saying he was in there doing, doing the doors, whatever doing the doors meant you know <pause> whether he's actually putting them on or he's ba <pause> is he, is he just putting them straight into the existing


6823:Yes.


6824:framework?
6825:Ah well he'll <pause> he's not helped putting the doors in then.
6826:He was doing that <unclear >.
6827:Got the budgie today.
6828:Whether sh <pause> <unclear >, oh my God!
6829:I thought we <pause> we were bo we were go


<unclear >


6830:I thought we were gonna do better this year than last year cos we got more children but <pause> it's like wo <pause> working, <unclear >.


6831:It's the time, the time <unclear > <pause> <unclear >.


6832:Tight as a <pause> duck's backside!
6833:<pause> Where money is.


<unclear >


<unclear dur=28 >


6834:Yeah.


6835:You've got to talk about something intellectual for a change!
6836:<vocal desc=laugh> Fifteen


6837:Let's talk about


6838:nearly quarter past.


6839:<unclear > bang!
6840:Bang!
6841:Cos he'll be self-employed.


6842:Yeah.


6843:Course, that's the only way he can get


6844:I suppose the only <pause> the balance to that is to say


6845:And you have <unclear >


6846:how many new firms wo <pause> who started in seventy nine and how many new firms have started in <pause> nineteen ninety?


6847:With all this <pause> with all <pause> <unclear > <pause> his persons <pause> and the self same <unclear > <unclear >


6848:Well that's collared it.
6849:Yeah.


6850:It is <unclear > as opposed to quality.


6851:What, new starts <pause> new starts


6852:Yeah <pause> yeah


6853:he's willing to start


6854:and er


6855:whether it's a firm or an individual.


6856:I mean <pause> I can see <pause> a typical lot of people <pause> at a time <pause> <unclear >


6857:Mm.


6858:you know, I mean <pause> if <pause> if you were self-employed like that <pause> if you don't keep up the standard <pause> and


6859:Oh yes!


6860:you're on


6861:That's it!


6862:<unclear > keep your standard


6863:Yeah.


6864:and you soon get in arrears you know!


6865:Yeah.


6866:I mean I used to have a good go at <pause> <unclear > keeping up your standard in my <unclear > <pause> but er


6867:Just making su


6868:have to keep it up.


6869:Yes.


6870:And you had to keep up with their er <pause> thinking tactics.


6871:Mm.


6872:And er <pause> I was pe <pause> I was paying <pause> I was still paying <pause> er <pause> five years after I'd finished!


6873:What for


6874:And I mean


6875:everybody?

 <unclear >

 <vocal desc=cough>


6876:Pardon?


6877:For yourself or for all the others?


6878:Mm mm <pause> should of tried to <pause> you know, my collective one


6879: Bu


6880:for the last forty years. <unclear >


6881:Yeah.


6882:and either pay it all in one <pause> I asked if I could pay it <pause> do so much, you know <pause> so much a year


6883:And they allowed did they?


6884:<unclear > years, yeah.
6885:Well the <pause> income tax is fairly easy <pause> it's the VAT that you've got to watch <pause> they're


6886:Ah.


6887:the ones, the va VAT!


6888:Her Majesty's Customs and Excise and


6889:Yeah <pause> VAT people.


6890:Apparently they've got more power than <pause> most <pause> organizations or, you know


6891:Yeah?


6892:Yeah!
6893:The VAT.
6894:I always thought it was the income tax but no.


6895:No!
6896:The income tax <unclear >


6897:The VAT and about <pause> they come and get it <pause> wherever they want.


6898:Yeah.


6899:And they can go through your books like that!


6900:Yeah.


6901:And walk in <pause> and expect to see them all in order.


6902:Mm.


6903:Right, any more there?


6904:And if you're not


6905:And if they


6906:and you <unclear >


6907:if, if they get you on erm


6908:and they don't <pause> they don't bet it's a <unclear > than they are <unclear >.


6909:Sorry?
6910:But it's just VAT, it's a, just a tax return to them isn't it, VAT?
6911:Whether you've got accountants doing it or not.
6912:Do you like his curly hair father?


6913:I dunno.


6914:Innit smart?


6915:Yeah.


6916:He's real smart!


6917:Yeah it's nice.


6918: I'm glad someone does !


6919:Very smart.


6920: Ha !


6921:I'm gonna sleep tonight.


6922:You think you will

 <unclear >


6923:do you?


6924:Yeah.


6925:Want us to go now?


6926:No, you're alright.


6927:Are you sure?
6928:If you wanna get


6929:You can tell us to go if you want.


6930:but you must do.


6931:Can you get a box tonight?


6932:Yeah, I'll find some <unclear >


6933:I, I've got one at home I think <pause> somewhere <pause> I'll have a look.


6934:Yeah but not to <pause> not to <pause> <unclear > <pause> cos you <unclear >


6935: No no not a Glenfiddich?


6936:No, it's only wine that I want.


6937:Well I'll get a bottle of wine in as well.
6938:Okay?


6939:No, just a glass.


6940:You need a glass.


6941:No, well one for the nurses <pause> okay?


6942:And, and <unclear >


6943:And wo a wo and one for the erm <pause> alcohol one.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6944:I mean we can wait but they won't mind which is which.


6945:Yeah <pause> I'll ask which one it is.


6946:And then I'll keep the other one.


6947: Course !


6948:Did you finish your crossword after?


6949:No, I ju I just had a look at that I couldn't do anything.


6950:You haven't done any more!
6951:Oh you have, you have!


6952:It's difficult that is!


6953:You have.


6954:It's difficult.


6955:Twenty one across <pause> they'll make you livid

 <vocal desc=laugh>


6956:something <pause> I N G S <pause> oh no, it's not I N G S <pause> it's


6957:Twenty two across <pause> try that <pause> cos we got half of that.
6958: Wat waterways, US .


6959:This gets in the way.


6960:I know.
6961:That happened


6962:Well why don't you get a top and trim?


6963: <unclear > .
6964:It's just erm


6965:<unclear > his trip


6966:happened a few days ago


6967:this was


6968:I caught it on a door handle


6969:managed


6970:and carried on walking!


6971: Sort of green sort ?


6972:It's gonna be more now!
6973:Yeah.


6974:<unclear > <pause> Sort of green sort <pause> can't get that one.
6975:Right <pause> don't know if these are ready but <pause> fifteen across <pause> prints it <pause> phonetic <pause> no, it doesn't go.


6976:Anyway, you're best not to do it


6977:No.


6978:because er <pause> you'll have to get mother settled


6979:No, we'll be, oh God!


6980:But you're having

 <vocal desc=cough>


6981:Yeah.


6982:well <pause> I know you've been good.


6983:Yeah.
6984:<pause> I'll have my own bed tomorrow.


<unclear >


6985:Last night I slept on the floor.


6986:Poor lad having to sleep on the floor!


6987:Mm.


6988:You know, he's so uncomfortable he's up at the crack of the dawn because that floor is really getting into him!
6989:The crack of dawn, half past ten crack of dawn!


6990:Which floor are you sleeping on?


6991:The little sitting room but I can't stand that <unclear >!
6992:It creaks


6993:That


6994:and it's really rough!


6995:You're stupid you are!


6996:So I just sleep on the floor.


6997:You're stupid!


6998:Well I'm not, well I know I shouldn't.


6999:Good looking <pause> so refined!


7000:Then there's Paul! <vocal desc=laugh>


7001:Got it!
7002:Got it, got it, got it!


7003:Alright young man?
7004:Hello there


7005:Hello.


7006:Alright?


7007:Fine thanks.


7008:Six down, good looking <pause> kip <pause> so refined <pause> ride a bicycle beginning with p?


7009:A what?


7010:Ride a bicycle beginning


7011:Pedal.


7012:with


7013:Pedal.


7014:Pedal.
7015:Well done Paul!


7016:What have you wrote.


7017:Cycler or cycle !
7018:Pedal.
7019:Then, that's a D <pause> twenty three across lowest point <pause> N=nadir <pause> isn't it?
7020:Nadir, N A D I R .


7021:It's a madder. <vocal desc=laugh>


7022:It is.
7023:Technical drawings <pause> ooh you should know that


7024:Sketch.


7025:one father!
7026:Technical drawings with ten letters, second one is an L?
7027:Ten


7028:Not plan?
7029:It's


7030:Ooh no!
7031: Te ten letters.


7032:Yeah.


7033:Sketch, no N.


7034: Te technical drawing?
7035:I can't think of that!


7036:Yeah, it says, technical drawings.


7037:Ooh no!


7038:Do you know?


7039:It won't come to me.


7040:But there is a word?


7041:Yeah.


7042:Yeah.


7043:Yeah.


7044:It'll come when you're not thinking of it.


7045:I can see it.
7046:<pause> I can see the cabinet

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7047:you keep them in <pause> you don't say technical drawing cabinets <pause> you say


7048:Tech drawing.


7049:What that's <unclear >?

 7050:Pull <pause> slow


<unclear >


7051:pull


7052:Da ee der


7053:Mm. <vocal desc=laugh>


7054:That and that, yeah.
7055:<pause> Da <pause> <unclear >


7056: Says something to her face <unclear > !


7057: Mm mm !


7058:Oh!
7059:<pause> What's that, who wears?


7060: Protective wear ?


7061:Helmet!
7062: A


7063:Could be, but protective wear


7064:A helmet.


7065:It


7066:Yeah.


7067:just says protective wear.


7068:Try and get that one.


7069:Well that's a helmet!


7070:Try and get


7071: Co could be anything!
7072:Could be gloves!


7073:try and get twenty acro twenty across.


7074:Yeah, well this <unclear > <pause> this is the name.


7075: Fluctuate .


7076:I thought that was veer but <pause> doesn't really make sense does it <pause> but you can fit it in <pause> there's now, what do you say?
7077:Twenty four across <pause> perform a surgery


7078:Ooh.


7079:now if helmet is right M is the first letter of perform surgery.
7080:I thought it'd be snicker-snack!


7081:That would be operate.


7082:Right <pause> it's operate

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7083:helmet is wrong.


7084: Overa <pause> overall!


7085:The, no!


7086:Over or no, overalls


7087: Pro protective wear <pause> er <pause> what do you call it?
7088:Those


7089:Armour


7090:Gauntlet.


7091:Gauntlet


7092:Armour!


7093:no.


7094:Armour!
7095: A M O U R .


7096: A R M <pause> O U R , protective wear, armour.
7097:That's it!


7098:Ah!


7099:Mm mm.
7100:It's made a mess of everything!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7101:Most likely alter that one again!


7102:Er er urgh! <vocal desc=laugh>


7103:Er


7104: <unclear > !


7105:<unclear > letter


7106:Near enough.


7107: Stitched <pause> sewn


7108:Oh aye that's


7109:Mm.


7110:sixteen.


7111: Menaces ?


7112:Yeah.


7113:We're nearly there you know, we're nearly there!


7114:Menaces?


7115:Only a couple to get.


7116:Well where's <pause> well where's erm <pause> where's this <pause> testicle drawing?

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7117: Testicle drawing !
7118:<pause> Oh you, now you've got a few letters in there <pause> L <pause> that's an


7119:I think


7120:L <pause> A R and L.


7121:Ten <pause> <unclear >.


7122:That's a R A N C E.


7123:That's if <unclear >


7124:is that an L?
7125:It's an L?


7126:Yeah.


7127:Is it R A N C E, a R A N C E <pause> looks like a R A N C E, R A N C E <unclear >.


7128:So that's why it's fun actually doing the clues as we are.


7129:What?


7130:A lot better than <unclear > <pause> than on your own.


7131:What?


7132:Crosswords are.
7133:Seem easy but


7134:Well that's <pause> I N G S <pause> rings <pause> erm


7135:Are you sure?


7136:Yeah.


7137:It's plural you see.


7138:Ah yeah.


7139:Might help you with sixteen down now.


7140: Te <pause> tele-rings .
7141:<pause> Tele-rings .


7142:Clearings, no.
7143: Cle cla cli


7144:Mm.


7145:Mm, <unclear >.
7146:Ah!
7147:Sixteen down


7148:Ah, he's stuck!


7149: Menaces <pause> menaces?


7150:Paul.


7151:Menaces <pause> Dennis's <pause> Dennis's the menaces!


7152:Annoying erm


7153: Onerous ?


7154:Ah thank you very much <unclear >.


7155:Eat them up ca take the box.


7156:What, you're gonna start getting rid of everything are you?


7157:Yes.


7158:You don't have sweets like, just eat your supply.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7159:Don't wanna take them back with you?


7160:No I'll <pause> take them back tomorrow.


7161:Cravats.


7162:Type.


7163: Small particle ?


7164:Atom.


7165:Atom.


7166:Yes.


7167:Ah, wrong!
7168:A particle?
7169:Yes, yes, yeah alright.


7170:Er


<unclear >


7171:Do you want a er


7172:Mint.


7173:Oh yes, we'll have one of those <pause> a fruit pastille.


<unclear >


7174:Take a few with you.


7175:Pass them round, fruit pastilles.
7176:Years since I've had one of these.


7177:Have a mix.


7178:No <pause> mm <pause> no, <unclear >.


7179:Doesn't cravat have an E at the end?


7180:No.
7181:<pause> Have you written to everybody you wanted to write to?


7182:No.
7183:Written one!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7184:Has it been posted?


7185:I'm lying here


7186:Ha!


7187:I haven't <unclear >


7188:John <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


7189:he wants to talk with me.


7190:The answer's wrong.


7191:Is it over there?


7192:Put those in the <unclear >


7193:Anything else?


<unclear >


7194:<unclear > are you sure?


7195:You can take those with you <unclear >


7196:Every single one?


<unclear >


7197:Ah no, but then


7198:<unclear > last night


7199:to jump out the bed to find out.


7200:I can't, I can't see if <unclear >.


7201:Especially at the toilet <pause> light.
7202:It's interesting!


7203:What?


7204:When you chu push the light on it goes darker.


7205:Well don't do that because it'll <pause> wear the


7206:Exactly!


7207:battery out!


7208:Yeah, but that light's not for the light <unclear >.


7209:That's what it's for.
7210:It's like that <pause> it's in the dark so when you push that but there aren't many batteries left so


7211:What you gotta do is <pause> like that.


7212:That


7213:Eh?


7214:light push <pause> push that at night then <unclear >

 <unclear >


7215:Yep.
7216:But it's erm <pause> er the light just takes away the inner tube <pause> and the batteries <pause> Tony said he was a manager so he got that as a freebie <pause> so <pause> is that it?


7217:Where did you get that from?


7218:Out of the <pause> day room.


7219:Well take it back.


<unclear dur=14 >


7220:Cheerio dear!


7221:Goodnight Brian


7222:Thanks.


7223:Goodnight


7224:Well I


7225:John!


7226:shan't see you again.


7227:Oh!
7228:Where you going?


7229:I'm going.


7230:Are you, going home?
7231:Oh bless your heart that's great!


7232:I'm going tonight.


7233:So just behave yourself when you get home!


7234:Yeah.


7235:Yeah, right.


7236:Well they can't do any <pause> they can't do anything for me I'm an I'm an awkward sod!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7237:Oh are you I, I gathered that!
7238: No I didn't mean that, I'm only joking !


7239:<unclear >, yeah.

 <vocal desc=laugh>

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7240:Bye bye, see you tomorrow.


7241:Bye!


7242:Bye!


7243:Right <pause> would you like a <unclear >?


7244:Yes please.
7245:Just one please?


7246:Just one?


7247:Yes please.


7248:Got a pair of socks?


<unclear >


7249:Got a pair of socks.


7250:Yes, I've got a pair of socks.


7251:Underwear?


7252:No.


7253:You've no underwear?


7254:I'm waiting for Terry <pause> come down <unclear >


7255:Ah!
7256:Right.


7257:Tea please?


7258:Do you take sugar?


7259:Please, yeah <pause> no not too sweet.


7260:Just wondering how long it'll take you to read that paper Brian


7261:Eh?


7262:I was just wondering how long you're gonna take to read that paper.


7263:Oh!


7264:You sort of read a couple of bits then doze off and then <unclear >!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7265:Eh, <unclear > yesterday.


7266: I know !

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7267:I'll read a bit <unclear >.


7268:I tell you the learners <unclear >.


7269:Int you Brian, you enjoy guessing it all?


7270:That's right, yeah.


7271:That's his story and he's sticking to it anyway!


7272:Yeah.


7273:I think I'll try one of those tonight malted mi milk.


7274:Yeah certainly <pause> any sugar?


7275:See if it'll make me <unclear >.


7276:How many, one, two?


7277:One, no, one and a half <pause> I'll be awkward!


7278:One and half. <unclear >


7279:Just cussed!


7280:He's awkward isn't he?


7281:I dunno really, I ain't saying nothing!
7282:I'm not saying nothing!


7283:One and a half sugar.


7284:One and a half yeah.
7285:That's only a half a one to start with!
7286:That'll do!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7287:<unclear > hello.


7288:Hey?


7289:<unclear > and buy something.


7290:Yes <pause> not to worry.


7291:Did you say you have to have


7292:So what's that <pause> for <pause> what tablets have you got to have?


7293:I don't know.


7294:No.


7295:No idea.


7296:Alright?


7297:Thanks a lot.


7298:That's a bit hot you know, okay?


7299:Oh


7300:Don't want you to burn yourself.


7301:No <pause> <unclear > we want you <pause> we want you to <unclear >.


7302:Seen what's on the cup <pause> on the mug?


7303:The <unclear > <pause> other way up.


7304:Rear right.


7305:Oh yes!
7306:I went to the <unclear > <pause> making sure they move us around one square.


<unclear >


7307:So there's nothing you want tomorrow other than your <pause> the bottles?


7308:That's not drawings is it, just drawing?


7309:No, it's a, an R in it, it's about <pause> drawings.


7310:Mm.


7311:No, it's an L <pause> like the letters.


7312:Well change that L.


7313:That's right.


7314:What's the L


7315:Nobody's gonna look at it anyway!


7316: Number sixteen is something like gleam rings or <pause> no ?


7317:Plead means <pause> a <pause> place <pause> rings <pause> R A N C E


<unclear >


7318:what about R A N C E at the end?
7319:No space.


7320:No spaces, no.


7321:Something R A N C E <pause> like tolerance <pause> see


7322:<unclear > <pause> <unclear > is a


7323:Mhm.


<unclear >


7324:What on earth's up?
7325:Pamphlet <pause> there's only two letters missing out of pamphlet, two out of <pause> out of five <pause> we've got three <pause> first one, the middle one, the last one.


7326:I reckon that's tart <pause> where is it?


7327:Which one?


7328:T A R T.


7329:T, what about that letter?


7330:A R


7331:Oh no, can't be that.


7332:We'll have to make a word


7333:Pamphlet.


7334:up there.


7335:Pamphlet.


7336:Make a word up <pause> erm <pause> T, oh no that's difficult without a T.


7337:Mm.


7338:The T's us <pause> usually followed by a vowel.


7339:Mm.
7340:T E


7341:T and that.


7342:T and <pause> taste <pause> taught


<unclear >


7343:You must capitulate the word so yeah, surrender's right.


7344:Where's it say <pause> <unclear >?


7345:Trying to capitulate <pause> <unclear >.


7346:Well if I only wanted to know the crossword and every single one is <unclear >


7347:What time do you want her in the morning?
7348:If you name a time <pause> just so as


7349:As soon as you can <pause> troops together.


7350:Okay.


7351:Now that doesn't mean <pause> eight


7352:Eight


7353:o'clock does it?


7354:No, any


7355:No.


7356:time after ten o'clock.


7357:Any time after ten.


7358:Yeah.


7359:Right <pause> did you hear that Paul?


7360:Sure.


7361:Any time after <unclear >

 <vocal desc=cough>


7362:to ten.


7363:Oh.


7364:So she leaves about ten <pause> she'll be here some time after ten won't she?


7365:That'll mean that gives you plenty of time to get up and get moving


7366:And it won't take long


7367:the


7368:to move those wardrobes, only about <pause> twenty minutes.


7369:Oh it'll take us a couple of minutes!
7370:It won't take twenty minutes!


7371:How many wardrobes are there?


7372:Two.


7373:Two?


7374:Yeah.
7375:And I say if you get on your hands and knees


7376:Get behind them <pause> and push them.


7377:and just pull and push <pause> <unclear > on the bottom


7378:Mm.


7379:Well what I was gonna do is just sort of


7380:Yeah.


7381:nudge them round.


7382:Yeah.


<unclear >


7383:Pardon?


7384:One person one end and one <pause> the other at the other end <pause> one in the middle <pause> and then


7385: Ar are they joined together?


7386:No.


7387:They're separate?


7388:Mm.


7389:Well that's a doddle that!


7390:No probs!


7391:Easy!


7392:Do you want the er <pause> re re-wiring <unclear >?


7393:And you're not bothered if we go in front of the light switch


7394:No.


7395:at all?
7396:You hear that?


7397:Mm <pause> and I'm pretty sure <pause> I'm pretty sure there's, that there's a <pause> electric light <pause> points behind.


7398:Sockets on the wall?


7399:Yeah.


7400:Yeah.


7401:And you want your <pause> bed head <pause> so it loo looks towards Philip's room?


7402:Yeah.


7403:So you can see the lighthouse?


7404:Well there's no difference <unclear > <pause> top and bottom of that bed I don't think.


7405:Int there?


7406:Oh.


7407:You have it either way?


7408:Yeah, I think you can <unclear >.


7409:But you will be able to watch the lighthouse.


7410:Is there any


7411:Yes, <unclear >


7412:Is the is there anything else you want in there?


7413:No.


7414:You don't want Christmas decorations or anything?


7415:No.


7416:And television <pause> brought in?


7417:No.


7418:Television.


7419:<unclear > you know <pause> <unclear > portable television.


7420:I usually have <unclear > with television.


7421:Could lo could loan you our portable couldn't we?


7422:Oh yes, if you could.


7423: We've not used it yet !


7424:I thought you had.


7425:Well <pause> but


7426:I have.


7427:they have <pause> it was on one night.


7428:Yeah.


7429:You get up in the morning and it's erm <pause> what do you call it?


<unclear >


7430:It's a radio <pause> put the radio on.


7431:Should be able to set the telly shouldn't you?
7432:You'd be able to get those timer switches on the <unclear >.


7433:Yeah.
7434:I'm not so addicted to a television as to need that, oh <pause> far from it.


7435:Aye yeah, not bad!


7436:Maybe you'll just want it


7437:What's that then?


7438:Pardon?


7439:What is it?


7440:Malted er


7441:Malted milk?


7442:Yeah <pause> the


7443:Horlicks.


7444:Ovaltine.


7445:Horlicks.
7446:I thought you were gonna be an Ovaltiney again!


7447:No.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7448:No, course not.
7449:<pause> Here <pause> in the morning te tell, tell Paula to bring a couple of <pause> a couple of carrier bags and that's all I'll need.


7450:Yeah.


7451:That's all she was gonna do, that's all she was


7452:Yeah, she was.


7453:gonna bring.


7454:That's, that's <unclear >.


7455:Right.
7456:Haven't got a jacket have you?


7457:No.


7458:Mind you, the car will be warm.


7459:I couldn't <unclear >.


7460:The car will be warm


7461:<unclear > <unclear > <pause> if she parks down in the door <pause> and he comes up


7462:Yeah.


7463:Right?
7464:She'll be so parked down there


7465:Right.


7466:I think she'll want to come up.


7467:Oh no, she'll wanna come up and say goodbye.


7468:So you want <pause> we want <pause> whisky

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7469:Don't make a note of that.


7470:one


7471:No, you don't, just the one o one will do.


7472:No, no whisky, one


7473:No buy a


7474:erm


7475:It's like a hotel isn't it?


7476:What else for you was it?


7477:Two, two empty carrier bags.


7478:Any preferred sign or name <pause> size?


7479:Yes.


7480:Asda?


7481:An empty carrier, the Gateway and the er


7482:Gateway and Asda.


7483:and the er Asda one.


7484:Do you want left handed ones or right handed ones?


7485:Well it's


7486:It's a good job the nurses there can listen <pause> <unclear >.


7487:She's nice she is.
7488:Whisky, wine


7489:I'm just gonna put you a new bag on cos that one's <pause> has leaked <unclear >.


7490:Whisky, wine, carriers <pause> what else?
7491:Erm <pause> I dunno !
7492:Is there anything else?


7493:No.


7494:You don't want any


7495:Socks?


7496:Ah, better bring in socks.


7497:Right.


<unclear >


7498:You've got your erm


7499:And I mean <unclear >


7500:bedroom slippers?


7501:Got bedroom slippers so


7502:Do you wanna put shoes on?


7503:No!


7504:I got a pair of shoes here.


7505:You've got a pair of shoes here have you?


7506:No.


7507:No, you don't need them.


7508:When I came the ambulance <unclear > you see.


7509:Ah yeah.
7510:So <pause> we get your <pause> you got your <unclear > you got them <pause> you don't need underwear <pause> you got your shirt, you've got a pullover, you've got trousers


7511: I it's, it's <pause> my shirt <unclear >


7512:trousers <pause> so that's it then!


7513:Yeah, they're my trousers. <unclear >


7514:Oh I don't need that, I thought we were gonna have a long, a long list.
7515:<pause> Whisky, wine.


7516:Needn't <unclear > <pause> something to do with <unclear > <pause> lovely.


7517:Keep you warm.


7518:If nothing else it keeps me warm.
7519:<pause> It looks like you've got some <pause> bla some, some stuff here for you.


7520:What's that?
7521:All that stuff I brought <pause> bring that back with you.


7522:Bring what <pause> ah?


7523:Bring that back with you there.


7524:Shall we take it back now?


7525:How many bottles are there?


<unclear >


7526:No, won't take it now we'll take it tomorrow.
7527:You might be grateful of that.
7528:<pause> What have you, tins as well?


7529:One, two, three, four, five, six, seven


7530:Seven tins <pause> and three bottles


7531:six <unclear >.
7532:Fetch another carrier bag.


7533:Shall we take them back now?


7534:No.
7535:Three, three carrier bags then.
7536:Oh, what am I doing!
7537:Three carriers, whisky and wine <pause> right, got it!


7538:You can ta take that back <pause> in this bag.


7539:Nah!
7540:No.


7541:Can I take it <pause> <unclear >.


7542:Fill them up.


<unclear >


7543:What a thought!


<unclear >


<unclear >


7544:He had an accident in bed, yeah.


7545:Oh <unclear >


7546: Because


7547:That's a more evil thought still!


7548:Yeah.


7549:Oh that's a <unclear >.


7550:So there's nothing else is there?


7551:No.
7552:What a man!


7553:Done very well!


7554:It doesn't taste bad this.
7555:Try it?


7556: Na no thanks.
7557:I can't taste anything again today it's gone.


7558:Oh!


7559:Smells gone and ev can you smell it?
7560:Does it smell?
7561:Can you smell anything?


7562:Taste it.


7563:Oh that's erm <pause> malt.


7564:There's something there.


7565:No, I don't like


7566:Just taste it.


7567:that much!


7568:No thanks dad.


7569:I don't like that.


7570:No, I don't like that!
7571:I don't like that!
7572:I don't like that!


7573:Don't like hot milk?


7574:You don't like hot milk?


7575:No.


7576:That's <unclear > <pause> that's how you <unclear > <pause> <unclear >.


7577:Must have been an Ovaltiney!


7578:An Ovaltiney!


7579:He, he mixed it with hot milk?


7580:Ha <pause> does you good!
7581:It's good for you!


7582:See <pause> at least once during the day <pause> you have a <pause> milky coffee <pause> and that's a pint of milk <pause> <unclear >.


7583:Mm.


7584:And then cereals in the morning, that's another pint.


7585:You see.


7586:That's the two pints gone.


7587:Yeah.


7588:That's why the necessity for a full pint.


7589:That's why you end up with nine pints is it?


7590:Why don't you just get another two pints, why not have three


7591:Ah


7592:pints a day?


7593:because <pause> she <unclear > about three pints, the pints a day <pause> the third pint cost you thirty five P <pause> and right, a four- pinter cost you a pound and two pence <pause> a pound and two pence, now work that out.


7594:Twenty seven P.
7595:Twenty seven and a half P.


7596:Mm.


7597:You save seven and a half P a pint.


7598:You save seven and a half P a pint !
7599:That's not bad!


7600:Four pints


<unclear >


7601:you save thirty P, you see you've nearly the cost of your


7602:Yeah.


7603:Yeah, <unclear >


7604:your third pint.


7605:Yeah but then <pause> that's taking <unclear >


7606:You see yo


7607:in petrol <pause> by going to the shops


7608:That's right.


7609:and time


7610:Yeah.


7611:Er, you like the milkman <pause> the milkman <pause> I mean <pause> absolutely stupid I thought <pause> because <pause> he kept putting milk up <pause> it was thirty P when we went there first


7612:Mm, yeah <pause> and now it's thirty five.


7613:now it's thirty five or thirty six <pause> I mean they put it up for the er <pause> crisis


7614:Do you know di


7615:it didn't come down again it, it went up tuppence for the crisis.


7616:What crisis?


7617:There were a crisis!


7618:Which crisis?


7619:The oil crisis.


7620:We haven't had an oil crisis!


7621:We have!
7622:When the we


7623:Have we?


7624:when the Gulf war was on.


7625:There wasn't an oil crisis!


7626:Yeah there was.
7627:It's a heck of a <unclear > it's, it's thirty four pence a gallon it was.


7628:It wasn't a crisis!


7629:<unclear > <pause> in fact it costs


7630:The oil excuse!


7631:and they're laughing at <unclear >


7632:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah!


7633:What they <pause> what they should do <pause> the, the milk <unclear > <pause> I'd say <pause> your first pint cost you twenty six <pause> thirty six


7634:Yeah.


7635:all other pints will cost you thirty.


7636:Mm.
7637:Did you know <pause> that the <pause> people who sell the milk, the dairies that sell a bring it round to you <pause> did you know, not many people know this!
7638:Did you know


7639:Did you know <pause> it's about twenty P <unclear >.


7640:No.
7641:That they are allowed to sell it to shops <pause> to shops cheaper than they are allowed to sell it to you.


7642:Yeah.
7643:Yeah.
7644:Yeah.


7645:There's a minimum charge they can sell it to yo <pause> individual customers


7646:Yeah.


7647:but they can sell it to shops, a crate of it to shops cheaper <pause> than <pause> than they can sell it <pause> so that means


7648:And then the shops, the shop


7649: bu


7650:the shop sells it the same price as the


7651:No, no the shop could use it then as a as a loss leader <pause> he could make say, a penny on it an ge so if he buys it at, you're buying what, thirty five?
7652:I think they can buy it at twenty eight.


7653:Right.


<unclear >


7654:So if he sells it thirty, just, he won't even cover his overheads on that <pause> but it means instead of having it delivered you go down to Joe's shop get it for thirty P save yourself five P.


7655:Yeah.


7656:Now isn't that crazy?


7657:Yeah.


7658:Now, the regulations <pause> that control that, that decide that <pause> are absolutely barmy!


7659:Yeah.


7660:Because <pause> they're encouraging the people who are <pause> providing the business <pause> to go out of business.


7661:Yeah.


7662:Yeah!


7663:Aren't they?


7664:Yeah.


7665:Yeah.


7666:Then actual consequence of it


7667:Why not have three pints every other day?


7668:Because I object to paying that much for milk!


7669:Yeah.


7670:Even it, even if you


7671:Have four e


7672: i if


7673:every four


7674:if


7675:days.


7676:if the shop, milk shop was across the road to afford that delivery price


7677:No.


7678:Yeah.
7679:Er


7680:right?
7681:Because the <unclear >.


7682:Mm.
7683:You should start your own <pause> milk round.


7684:So <pause> do you ever, do you have any delivered?


7685:Yeah, two pints a day.


7686:At thirty five P a pint?


7687:Mm.


7688:Well that's


7689:Because if there's any <unclear >


7690:And you get your er


7691:price


7692:and you get your other milk from the supermarket


7693:Yes.


7694:when you go shopping?


7695:Yeah.


7696:You should get one a day then there's six pints of milk.


7697:Get two two a day and it leaves er <pause> four pounds ninety.


7698:But it's when you're built up to nine pints it makes you <pause> <vocal desc=laugh>


7699:Why don't you get say, two four-pinters <pause> on a Monday or whenever you go shopping


7700:Will you shut up!
7701:And yo


7702:and then


7703:you get you get, keep your own because <pause> if there's any time she can't walk down to the bottom <pause> we've always


7704:She's got


7705:got a contact.


7706:Ah.


7707:She can put a little note in there and say she wants some a taties and some, some bread <pause> and then it's delivered.


7708:Oh he delivers those as well does he?
7709:Yeah.


7710:Ah?


7711:He delivers those as well?


7712:Yeah.


7713:So you're paying for a service really aren't you?


7714:Yeah.


7715:Mm.
7716:You're not just paying for milk.
7717:You're paying for the two things <pause> you're paying for the opportunity


7718:No!


7719:you're paying for the opportu by that chap coming round


7720:Yeah.


7721:and doing that you're paying for the opportunity of having <pause> erm <pause> other services


7722:Yeah.


7723:like bread


7724:Yeah.
7725:I think you may <unclear >


7726:yoghurt


7727:like if you left a note for the postman he'd drop it through the door


7728:Oh it's like that is it?
7729:Yeah.


7730:Right.


7731:Fish and chips! <vocal desc=laugh>


7732:Well <pause> <unclear >, quite often than not <pause> er <pause>


7733:Don't Paul!


7734:there'd be post <pause> post will come in the afternoon


7735:Yeah.


7736:and you dive down to the post box and pushes it in.


7737:Mm <pause> leave him a little note.
7738:<pause> I think we'd better go Paul.


7739:Yeah.


7740:You're getting a bit restless.
7741:I think he ca I think he came tonight for a game of cards that's all he came


7742:No.


7743:for!
7744:Truth is known <pause> if the truth is


7745:Time for a game of pontoon?


7746:No.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7747:Pontoon?


7748:Yeah.


7749:Which is pontoon?


7750:Twenty ones.


7751:Ah alright, <unclear > some time.


7752:That just <unclear >.


7753:Twenty ones, unless you're playing for a pair of notes.


7754:Well we play, we play for millions of pounds!


7755:Once <pause> ah, and a he ended up owing me fifty seven <pause> <unclear > !


7756:You don't go pennies, you go sort of ten thousand pound or half a million on this one now!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7757:I'll buy one for half a million pounds!


7758:And then it's er


7759:And if the stakes look right, right <pause> how much do I owe you?
7760:Fourteen million!
7761:Right


7762:Ah <unclear >


7763:I'll have the next card for fourteen million! <vocal desc=laugh>


7764:It's a three. <vocal desc=laugh>


7765: Oh surely not!
7766:Twenty eight million !


7767:Oh, has it stopped yet?


7768:I don't know.


7769:Oh have you turned it off.


7770:No.
7771:It, it goes click and it's stopped.
7772:Right, do you want us to take anything <unclear >


7773:No.


7774:tonight?
7775:What's that?

 <unclear > <unclear >


7776:The books?


7777:Yeah, which book?
7778:Has it stopped?


7779:No, right <pause> don't do that again!
7780:The books


7781:That bag.


7782:Liquorice Allsorts.


7783:They'll be gone <unclear >.


7784:Mints.
7785:It's a pity nobody ever brought yo <pause> brought you grapes <pause> cos I like grapes.


7786:Do you like grapes?


7787:<unclear > you're moaning now!


7788:<vocal desc=laugh> Sherbet le these are the ones I got him!


7789:Yeah I got him them ones!


7790:Yeah.


7791:One <pause> <unclear >


7792:Did he give you those?


<unclear >


7793:I was told to get you all stu tangy stuff.


7794:Yeah.


7795:Tangy drinks, tangy <pause> <unclear >

 <vocal desc=cough>


7796:I was <pause> looking for these and you got drunk and eat them!
7797:Oh never mind!


7798:You can leave those there.


7799:Do you want those leaving?
7800:You want the books going


7801:Yeah, the books and


7802:the cards, the get well


7803:Yeah.


7804:what else?

 <unclear > <pause> <unclear >


7805:Well your glasses case you don't want them going do you?


7806:Er, yeah might as well then the glasses in there.


7807:Oh your glasses are in there, right.
7808:And the <pause> and the clock, won't you need a clock for tomorrow?


7809:You can jus just jump


7810:Oh you've got that one haven't you?


7811:out of bed and


7812:You can get up at six o'clock in the morning see what time it is can't you?


7813:I shall be up at six o'clock

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7814:in the morning, they wake me up at six o'clock in the morning!


7815:They don't wake you up at six o'clock dad!


7816:Yeah they do!


7817:Six o'clock?


7818:Yeah!


<unclear >


7819:Yeah, they get up at six!


7820:Every <pause> everybody?


7821:Every morning at six o'clock!
7822:Good morning Mr <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">!


7823:Are you awake? <vocal desc=laugh>


7824:<unclear > <pause> You hope it isn't!


7825:No, go away! <vocal desc=laugh>


7826: Do you want <unclear > !

 <vocal desc=laugh>


7827:Then five minutes afterwards <pause> they come and put this in your mouth <pause> suck this


7828:Oh, what's that, thermometer?


7829:Thermometer.


7830:Yeah.
7831:And five minutes after that.


7832:<unclear > no, I <unclear > half an hour after this, an hour after that.


7833:Cup of tea.


7834:Cup of tea.


7835:Ooh, I'd want

 <unclear >


7836:a cup of tea right as <pause> right away, ooh ooh!


7837:<unclear > fast asleep again then.


7838:At six o'clock in the morning.


7839: The then, then er


7840:Oh <pause> then breakfast eh?


7841:<unclear > out, out again


7842:Straight.


7843:straight to bed


7844:Yeah.


7845:make sure you <unclear > <pause> <unclear > <pause> and er


7846:So what time do they, do you have your breakfast then?


7847:Eight o'clock.


7848:Eight o'clock you get a bit of


7849:Give it a lick.


7850:Get off yo get it off your beard.


7851:That's it! <vocal desc=laugh>


7852:So you get your breakfast when, eight o'clock?


7853:Yeah.


7854:That's not bad.


7855:And then you get a cup of tea at ten.


7856:Really they say <pause> <unclear > <pause> cos eight o'clock, any time after eight o'clock <pause> and they start making the beds <pause> and make you comfortable <pause> but they've already had three goes at making <unclear >.


7857:So you want this lot shifting now?


7858:Yep.


7859: Okay Paul ?
7860:And a


7861:Now.


7862:and one, two, three.


7863:Three carrier bags.


7864:Three carriers.


<unclear >


7865:No I do n't.
7866: Thre whisky, wine, three carriers we'll sort that out.
7867:Okay Paul?
7868:Are you ready?


7869:That can go in the er <pause> in the <unclear > one.


7870:Yeah.


7871:Just that one?


7872:Right.


<unclear >


7873:Yeah it's recording.


7874:Er ooh ooh ooh ooh ooh! <unclear > did say is he recording?


7875:Is he recording?


7876:Yeah.


7877:What the machine?


7878:Or whatever if the machine records <unclear >.


7879:Oh!
7880:Really?


7881:Strange thing!


7882:Just one car is it there?


7883:Why is there no parking there? <unclear >


7884:Ambulances being able to get in and out.


7885:Oh it's <unclear >.


7886:Well that's a <pause> hopefully that's our last visit.


7887:Hopefully.


7888:Hopefully


7889:Ah!


7890:that's the last <pause> major thing that <pause> happens to him.
7891:<pause> It's a tight bend that!


7892:Just a bit!


7893:Isn't it?


7894: Mm mm mm mm .
7895:I wonder how many patients they get like him who are just <pause> lucky?


7896:Do you think he was lucky?


7897:I think he was very lucky!


7898:I don't think he was lucky!


7899:He was fortunate.


7900:He was fortunate in that <pause> he had the right doctor at the right time in the right <pause> so hospital


7901:But he didn't have <unclear >


7902:the right <pause> expertise <pause> around him.


7903:Oh yeah!


7904:He hadn't had those <pause> how they


7905:Do you think if he'd been sent into hospital earlier he wouldn't have been in such a


7906:It would have depended on which hospital he'd have been sent to.


7907:Really?


7908:Erm <pause> if he'd have stayed at Southwold Hospital he would have died!
7909:They couldn't have coped with it, no!
7910:What they've done with him there is remarkable!
7911:<pause> The skill <pause> the level of skill


7912:Do you want to go to the wine merchants?


7913:No, I think I've got some at <pause> at home Paul.


7914:<unclear > stopped, being stopped by the police <pause> find a <pause> bottle like whisky!


7915:Oh!
7916:If you haven't got a bottle of whisky at home or <pause> I'm sure your mum can get one on the way in <pause> way in tomorrow can't she?


7917:Yeah, we've definitely got a bottle of wine.


7918:Have you?

 <vocal desc=sneeze>


7919:Have you got a cold starting?


7920:No I haven't I just sneeze <pause> sneezed.


7921: Everything I do


7922: Er er .


7923:I don't know how you can be so tired when you only get up at half past ten in the morning!


<unclear >


7924:Pardon?


7925:I just look tired <pause> for some reason.
7926:<pause> <unclear > . <pause> Mm mm mm mm <pause> mm mm mm .


7927:What do you want to do tomorrow?
7928:Do you want to come over to the bungalow and sort this bedroom out or


7929:I'd like to go to the hospital <pause> I'd rather go to the hospital.


7930:You want to go to the hospital?


7931:Yeah.


7932:Okay.
7933:Well we'll see what Tony wants to do.
7934:If you both wa if you both would rather go to the hospital you can't do that.


7935: Oh <pause> Flip a coin.


7936:One of you will have to come with me.


7937:Flip a coin and see who gets to go.


7938:Flick a coin? <unclear >


7939:What if Tony doesn't wanna go anywhere?


7940:Pardon?


7941:What if Tony doesn't wanna go anywhere?
7942:You get Philip to help decide.
7943:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> <unclear > has to have <unclear > pick a cushion off, off the floor.


7944:Really?


7945:Yeah.
7946:And <unclear >.


7947:No.


7948:Well it will be upstairs cos there's a pillow up <pause> no, no, hey listen <pause> he complained because he had to step over the pillow, that's it!
7949:And I says it's <unclear >


7950:Will you blow your nose you're going to give yourself a real bad chest!
7951:A really bad chest!


7952:Aha, yeah <pause> I haven't got a hankie <pause> hankie.


7953:Well at your age you should have a hankie with you, you shouldn't have to be told!
7954:It should be there.


<unclear >


7955:But you don't have to be told to put your socks on do you?


7956:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> No.


7957:No.
7958:<pause> Well, we'll see what <pause> see what Tony says.
7959:Then if you both want to go to the hospital you can't <pause> somebody will have to be <pause> either <pause> graciously accept to go over and get the bedroom sorted


7960:Or?


7961:or <pause> ungraciously have

 <unclear >


7962:to toss a coin!
7963:That's a


7964:Oh it's the red button on that recorder


7965:Yeah.


7966:but black <pause> the orange light's <pause> shining on the red button made it look black.
7967:Have a look at it.
7968:Don't press it but just have a look.


7969:Oh, this light here.
7970:Oh yeah!


7971:See it?


7972:Yeah.
7973:It's like if you, if you look at the <unclear > on that


7974:Mm.


7975:and then you look at the normal lights


7976:Mm.


7977:they look really yellow, they look, don't look as yellow as these lights.


7978:Because the <unclear > lights are


7979:Ultra violet <pause> er they're


7980:Ultra violet?


7981:Yeah, that's the colour of the light.
7982:And


7983: Whi a bluey white?


7984:No, it's the actual, the colour of the light is ultra violet <pause> and the colour of the <pause> those normal lights, I think they're red or something.


7985:But isn't ultra violet blue?
7986:A blue light?


7987:Erm, erm not <unclear >.


7988:But the lights aren't blue.
7989:They've got a blue <pause> hue to them, a blue tinge to them <pause> but the lights aren't blue lights are they?


7990:Yeah.
7991:<pause> No they're violet.


7992:Does it still look like a runway to you then?


7993:No, not any more.
7994:I used to be down a straight road here.


7995:Pardon?


7996:I used to be down a straight road. <pause> <unclear > .


7997: Everything that I do <pause> The other night when we came back <pause> the streets were deserted.


7998:What night you come back?


7999:The night of the <pause> F A cup replay.


8000:Was it?
8001:So people who'd either gone to the football or


8002:Watching it or listening to it on the


8003:or watching it on the radio or television.


8004:Was it on, I think it was on Sky or something


8005:It was Sky, it was on Sky.


8006:Sky T V <pause> so <pause> they were either watching it on their own or <pause> being very neighbourly with their neighbours <pause> or listening to it on the radio <pause> or as you say, up in Liverpool.


8007:Rather not go there!


8008:Pardon?


8009:I'd rather not go to Liverpool !


8010:It is a pity though <pause> winning two one, being <pause> being up two one and then


8011:Were they <unclear >?


8012:Yeah!
8013:And then losing three two.


8014:That's a pity.


8015:Yeah.


8016:So who scored?


8017:If only, if only!
8018:I think Des Allan, <unclear >


8019:Yeah but erm <pause> he was going out with erm <pause> Nathan's sister.


8020:Who?
8021:The


<unclear >


8022:Was he?


8023:Yeah.


8024:For how long?


8025:I don't know how long it was.
8026:Said they were going out it's just that <pause> that was ages ago though <unclear > .


8027:Pardon?


8028:It was ages ago. <unclear > .


8029:Pardon?


8030:I just remember.
8031:<unclear > this nuisance right.


8032:Say that again!


8033:I remember <unclear > about.


8034:Did you know <pause> that if a man


8035:Jumps off, I know.


8036:jumps off the top of Big Ben


8037:Yeah, I know.


8038:wearing a tweed jacket


8039:he


8040:he'll hit the ground in <pause> eight and a half seconds!


8041:Did you know that this one?


8042:Not many people know that!


8043:That if you jumped off Big Ben <pause> wearing a s <pause> sto sto sto sto sto sto <pause> a wearing a <pause> wearing a <pause> leather jacket


8044:Mm!


8045:your top speed would be two hundred and seventy two miles an hour!


8046:Not many people know that!


8047:That's right.


8048:Nah <pause> it's right innit!

 <unclear > <vocal desc=laugh>


8049:Ha!


8050:You know the fastest speed of one <unclear > is two hundred and forty miles an hour something like that.


8051:It's thirty, it accelerates at thirty two feet per second


8052:Yeah.


8053:per second


8054:But it can only reach


8055:doesn't it?


8056:a certain speed <pause> but in fact


8057:Oh yes!


8058:as you


8059:Yeah.


8060:fall you slow down because <pause> you ca there's more, there's more air friction <pause> towards the ground.


8061:Yeah, so if <pause> as you're falling from a great height.


8062:Yeah.


8063:Okay if <pause> the theory is, if you dropped a feather and a penny <pause> at the same time from the same height the theory is that they both should reach the ground


8064:Equally, equal time.


8065:at the same time


8066:but the feather there's a lot more of


8067:but in fact they don't


8068:the surface area to <unclear >.


8069:Yeah, so if


8070:to collect the air


8071:there's a


8072:on


8073:it tends to float down a bit.
8074:Just hold on to your seat belt I've got somebody right up our backside!
8075:Oh he's dropped back a bit.
8076:I thought we were going to have a visitor in the boot.
8077:He's right


8078:He's still there.


8079:right up behind us.


8080:Hit your fog light then.


8081:Well <pause> never mind.


8082:He's trying to get a bit closer.


8083:He just got a lot closer than that.


8084:Blimey <unclear > <unclear >


8085:A lot closer than that that's


8086:he's a Ford


8087:and at a guess <pause> is it Ford?


8088:Ford Escort or something.


8089:No it's not.


8090:<unclear >, it was a Ford.


8091:It wasn't a Ford it was Japanese


8092:It is a Ford Granada.
8093:I, I read <pause> I read the, I saw the <unclear >.


8094:It's a funny shaped Ford Granada that Paul!
8095:I thought we were going to have a visitor <pause> coming in through the back door.


8096:This door.


8097:Yeah <pause> he was close <pause> I don't know why.
8098:He was very close!


<unclear >


8099:Here we go!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


8100:It's a nuisance that, isn't it that?


8101:And you don't actually know it's going off do you?


8102:It's only happened, you know when the windscreen <pause> went <pause> all the bubbles appeared


8103:Yeah.


8104:on <pause> in, in, in the laminates <pause> alright <pause> well <pause> when they took the windscreen out and replaced it with this one <pause> it's only since then <pause> that repair


8105: Really ?


8106:that this has started to creak and crackle.
8107:<pause> And one good <pause> crack with the back of your hand <pause> sorts it out for a couple of minutes.


8108:What's in the bottom <unclear >?


8109:Pardon?
8110:It's in the back there whatever it is that's bouncing around.


8111:Ah it's this tape.


8112:Pardon?


8113:It's this tape.


8114:Shove!


8115:Beep, boo!


8116:Faster and faster.


8117:Nice to be in the speed limit <unclear >.
8118:<pause> Did you see Tomorrow's World?


8119:I saw bits of it, I was talking with your grandpa today about that.


8120:The <unclear > bullet.


8121:Pardon?


8122:The bullet <pause> the fastest bullet.
8123:They <pause> they were experimenting to erm <pause> reproduce a space <pause> what it's like in space when <pause> erm <pause> debris since the space shuttle <pause> and then er


8124:Oh that's why I came up wasn't it?
8125:You know


8126:You know and they were <pause> they were erm <pause> firing this bullet at seven kilometres a second


8127:Yes.


8128:that's the speed <pause> and she's tearing into about <pause> erm <pause> five <pause> five strips of sheet metal <unclear >.


8129:That's the bullet?


8130:Yeah <pause> i it's all done with hydrogen gas cylinder <pause> compressing the bullet.
8131:The most


8132:Those


8133:powerful gun in the world so


8134:it was shot by compression <pause> rather than explosion


8135:No , no <pause> no it's an explosion


8136:Yes.


8137:sent this little erm <pause> sort of <pause> tube <pause> sort of cylinder <pause> through er <pause> the hydrogen gas <pause> and then <unclear >


8138:Explain it again you've lost me already.


8139:There was a <pause> it's gunpowder


8140:Yep.


8141:that shot this


8142:Why was there gunpowder?


8143:in the end, the gun was a <pause> the gun was about


8144:It was an actual gun?


8145:Yeah but it's <pause> it's not a


8146:An ord


8147:hand gun


8148:A rifle?


8149:No!
8150:A gu a gun about erm <pause> forty metres long.


8151:Forty metres!


8152:Yeah, it's a gun.


8153:So it was a gun that was only, you'd only find it in a building?
8154:It isn't an, an

 <unclear >


8155:actual gun that you'd <pause> see


8156:Oh no!


8157:somewhere?


8158:No, it's the only one of its kind!


8159:So it's ju it's purely


8160:No it's <unclear >


8161:experimental?


8162:Yeah.
8163:And they were er <pause> and the gunpowder <pause> when, when it <pause> was ignited <pause> this


8164:It exploded.


8165:yeah, it's


8166:the bullet moved away from it


8167:no, no, not the bullet!
8168:The, there was a erm <pause> send it down <pause> right, and that got sent down this <unclear >


8169:They shot a cylinder away?


8170:Yeah.


8171:A solid cylinder?


8172:Yeah.
8173:And this, and this cylinder


8174:But a cylinder is empty!


8175:Yeah, oh it's <pause> you know I mean a <pause> <unclear > <pause> er


8176:A ce it was cylindrical but it was <pause> solid?


8177:Yeah.


8178:Yeah.


8179:And it shot it <pause> went down <pause> shot it through this barrel <pause> and inside was hydrogen gas and as it went through


8180:But it, but as it went


8181:when it went


8182:through, through the gas, yeah?


8183:it erm <pause> the gas just pushed <pause> very hard


8184:So the cylinder fixed tightly inside the barrel like <pause> just as if


8185:No!


8186:it was


8187:Yeah.


8188:a bullet?
8189:Yeah.


8190:And then this <pause> hits a plate <pause> and on that plate


8191:Now what hits the plate?
8192:The gas or the bullet?


8193:The <pause> both at the same time I think


8194:Okay.


8195:the er


8196:What's the point in putting the hydrogen gas


8197:I'll explain that.


8198:Go on.


8199:Okay.
8200:And then <pause> on this plate there's a, there's an actual bullet <pause> no <pause> a <pause> and it, it, it looks like a bullet, I don't kno I don't know what it is <pause> and it's like <unclear > that if you hit something


8201:Yep.


8202:if you hit something <pause> twice as big <pause> to what you're hitting it'll go twice as fast <pause> as it does with a snooker ball.
8203:But a snooker ball isn't twice as big, you know <pause> when a snooker ball hits something the other ball goes away quicker <pause> than the ball that's hit it <pause> yeah?


8204:It gains, it gains momentum.


8205:Yeah.
8206:So it, it ga it went twice as quick as that ball's going.


8207:Mhm.


8208:And then this went down the barrel and <pause> you know, hit whatever it wanted to hit <pause> and each shot cost a thousand pounds!
8209:In setting each one of them, to get it all ready cost a thousand pounds!
8210:But they <pause> they, that wasn't accurate because it has to go up, to have <pause> fifteen kilometres a second.


8211:And they've only got it to seven?


8212:Yeah.
8213:But they do that, they reckon it won't take long.


8214:Do they think they can get it up to fifteen?


8215:Yeah.


8216:And what's the purpose of it?


8217:To <pause> try <pause> erm <pause> make a material that <pause> withstand <pause> if it was hitting it.


8218:At fifteen kilometres <pause> a second?


8219:Yeah.


8220:Because of the danger of <pause> space <pause> things in space being hit by debris <pause> and the <pause> the debris is travelling at fifteen kilometres a second?


8221:Yeah.


8222:Yeah?


8223:<unclear > <pause> erm <pause> a flake of paint hit a spaceship windscreen and it cracked it, just a flake of paint!


8224:A flake of paint?


8225:Yeah.


8226:No metal attached to it?


8227:No, just a flake of paint.


8228:Just a flake of paint.


<unclear >


8229:Is, is, yes it's, it's, that's doing it.
8230:So how much <pause> junk, garbage, rubbish


8231:I know


8232:whatever is up there.


8233:I know.


8234:Is it in one particular area or is it just scattered


8235:No it's anywhere. <unclear > <unclear >


8236:That's stupid isn't it?


8237:Oh it is.


8238:Why don't they collect it together then?


8239:Well it's just like the ends of space rockets you know.
8240: Mi you know the really old Russian ones, <unclear > <pause> when they <pause> I remember <pause> when they shot the rockets up and then <pause> the bits of them just <pause> get left behind in space.


8241:This is crazy!
8242:It's waiting for an accident to happen!


8243:Yeah.


8244:Because if one of, not just a flake of paint if something <pause> bigger than that


8245:Yeah, and when


8246:a piece of a rocket or


8247:and when tho <pause> when that


8248:a bolt or a nut or something


8249:and when that hit <pause> whatever it hit


8250:it would really damage it wouldn't it?


8251:and when that hits whatever it hit that's gonna explode and that's gonna <pause> send <unclear >.


8252:Oh my God!
8253:So, are the plans afoot <pause> to <pause> collect this rubbish?


8254:No, just tha I don't think they're gonna <unclear >


8255:Are we go ar <pause> are we going to have dustbin men orbiting the world?


8256: Yeah !


8257:Ha?


8258:Yeah.


8259:Waiting for a Christmas tip!
8260:<pause> That's a thought isn't it?


8261:Yeah.


8262:Maybe there's an industry in the fu <pause> er, for the future there Paul?
8263:Seriously!
8264:Refuse collection


8265:Have to have some <unclear >.


8266:Orbital Cleaning Services!
8267:Refuse <pause> refuse collection of the world <pause> world <pause> out of this world, we're out of this world!
8268:We're


8269: Di <pause> did grandpa say he could drive back?


8270:Oh, said he could drive back, I don't think <pause> he might be able

 <unclear >


8271:to but <pause> I do


8272:He <unclear >


8273:I think it would erm <pause> that would set him back Paul <pause> that really would.


8274:Oh yeah!


8275:Don't play around


8276:I think


8277:with that!


8278:<unclear > <pause> he's in high spirits isn't he?
8279:That he's coming out.


8280:Well it's good that!
8281:It's


8282:Yeah.


8283:it's important he's <pause> feeling he wants to do things.


8284:And what's this about a light switch?


8285:When the wardrobes are moved it could be that they will hide the wall light switch and he's not bothered about that one little bit!
8286:Because it doesn't, as he says <pause> he doesn't use the main light in the room <pause> he uses the bedside lights <pause> okay?


8287:Aha.
8288:And if he really needs


8289:Good!


8290:to put it on he can just <pause> put his hand behind it.
8291:<pause> Ha, <unclear > dark.


8292:He just doesn't want it on!
8293:So i <pause> it doesn't come into it that!
8294:Okay?


8295:Aha.


8296: Right .


8297:It's such a small room that one.


8298:Pardon?


8299:It's such a small room.


8300:Small <pause> room?


8301:Mm.


8302:Yep.
8303:<pause> Out tomorrow!
8304:Hasn't he done well?


8305:He's been very lucky!
8306:That's right he <unclear >.


8307:Pardon?


8308:He <pause> he's the only person out of that <pause> in that whole <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> Ward


8309:Mm.


8310:the only patient that probably hasn't got cancer <pause> he's the only one.


8311:But the others <pause> that have got the

 <unclear >


8312:cancers I think you'll find that <pause> what they're doing with them ar <pause> a lot of those cancers will be cured.


8313:Oh yeah!
8314:No, all they have to do once they've found one new <unclear > cure for cancer


8315:Yes.


8316: the they'll have it for everything!
8317:Cos they're all generally the same cancer so


8318:Well, if you find a universal cure for something that's what it


8319:Yeah, I mean


8320:means!


8321:No, if they find one cure for it.
8322:If they find a cure for say, lung cancer <pause> they'll just have to chase just a tiny bit and they will do <unclear > cancer. <unclear >


8323:I don't know.


8324:Cos all cancer is your cells erm


8325:Ah but that's the simplistic


8326:I know.


8327:side of it, er all it is is that


8328:That's all it, yeah.


8329:It's what triggers it and what causes it to keep triggering and moving that and


8330:Mm.


8331:going out of control.
8332:What <pause> and if we can <pause> find out what it is that does that


8333:You go to people and say


8334:and then


8335:antidote <unclear >


8336:and then find


8337:that sort of thing.


8338:and then find <pause> what it's <pause> what we can do to stop it triggering <pause> and carrying that <pause> reaction on and on and on and on <pause> or <pause> turning it back.
8339:If that makes that happen that way <pause> what <pause> makes it go the opposite way?
8340:You know, what makes it reduce?
8341:In safety, that is.
8342:<pause> Cos you might find you give somebody something <pause> erm <pause> which counteracts that


8343:Yeah.


8344:but then because it's going into the body it's also counteracting so many other things that you don't want it to counteract.


8345:What lu like <pause> chemotherapy?


8346:Yeah.


8347:Mm.
8348:Ah!


8349:Right, come on then.
8350:Can you bring in <pause> all those things out of the back?


8351: Aha .


8352:Please?
8353:The sweets, the books <pause> the lot, everything he's just given us.


8354:Go and shut that door.
8355:That's it.


8356:Don't leave anything behind.
8357:Have you got the lot?


8358:Yep.


8359:Three carriers, whisky and wine <pause> that was it.
8360:And wild, wild women!
8361:Close the door <pause> properly.
8362:<pause> Three carriers <pause> bottle of whisky <pause> bottle of wine.


8363:Bottle of whisky?


8364:Bottle of wine.


8365:Here's his sweets.


8366:And what do you want?


8367:They're his thankyous.


8368:<unclear >?


8369:He's getting ready.


8370:You saw <unclear > didn't you?


8371:Leave them!

 <unclear >


8372:He's given them to us that's why!


8373:Oh! <unclear >


8374:No I'm not.


<unclear >


8375:Well he's <pause> no <pause> once I'm home.


8376:Whisky?


8377:Whisky, wine <pause> erm


8378:Why whisky?


8379:Well he, he asked the nurse <pause> and the nurse said <pause> obviously said <pause> we don't care for anything like, we do it for the good of you.
8380:And he said <pause> said <pause> yes


8381:Not for long!


8382:I know you do it for the good of us <pause> but I still like to <pause> to buy you something as a thank you.


8383:Well I'll get <unclear >


8384:So <pause> she said well <pause> and he said whisky?
8385:And she said, oh no not that much, you know not, not that, no, no I want to, says well <pause> oh no, how about wine?
8386:We like wine.
8387:So <pause> he said yeah, alright wine and then <pause> he said and whisky.
8388:So, I'll see <pause> I'll see what I've got down here in here.


8389:Well I'll give you the money for it.


8390:No you won't!


8391:Yes I will!


8392:It's our thank you as well.


8393:Don't be daft!


8394:I'm not being daft it's a fact!
8395:It's our thank you as well.


8396:Oh.
8397:What was he like tonight?


8398:Erm <pause> he's cold


8399:Tired?


8400:yeah, he was a bit tired.


8401:Cold?


8402:No, his cold from this morning, he had a <pause> drippy nose remember?


8403:Oh yeah you said so.


8404:Yeah.
8405:Er, his eyes were a bit full, you know, you know when somebody's


8406:Yeah.


8407:sickening for a cold <pause> erm


8408:What did the nurse say about that <unclear >?


8409:God, they're not worried about that!
8410:They've got all his tablets sorted for him <pause> for coming home.
8411:You know, what he'll have


8412:Are they <unclear >?


8413:dosage, frequency <pause> so on.


8414:And he has to contact the doctor?


8415:Erm <pause> he didn't say that <pause> that'll all be <pause> no doubt <pause> he'll have all sorts of notes and that <pause> er


8416:When is he able to come out?


8417:Any, any time after ten o'clock he said.


8418:Ooh.


8419:Any time after ten.


8420:Better get up early then.


8421:No, he said <pause> don't break your necks he said <pause> any time after ten.


<unclear >


8422:I said, about eleven?
8423:Yeah <pause> whatever time.
8424:He said but whatever you do don't come before ten.


8425:Well <pause> <unclear >


8426:Okay?


<unclear >


8427:Aha!
8428:Is Paula upstairs?
8429:Yeah?
8430:<pause> Any time after ten.
8431:Okay?
8432:Erm <pause> three carrier bags


8433:That's what he wants?


8434:Yep.


8435:He hasn't packed anything tonight?


8436:Well I didn't bring <pause> he didn't sleep

 <unclear >


8437:last night he said.


8438:Why not?


8439:I don't know!
8440:Just didn't sleep last night.
8441:And three carrier bags <pause> bottle of whisky <pause> bottle of wine.


8442:For the


8443:They're the <pause> gifts <pause> they're the thankyous.
8444:Okay?


8445:For the <pause> thingy?


8446:Oh he said, he said he just, he's just gonna leave them.
8447:I think the wine will definitely go to the nurses and the whisky will go to <pause> whoever wants to have a drink of whisky.
8448:So it'll be <pause> never know, you might get some happy doctors!
8449:Erm <pause> what else?


8450:Did he suggest that or did you ask him?


8451:He asked the nurse.
8452:She said wine, he, she suggested whisky and <pause> oh no not that much then, oh no you're worth more than that, you know the usual thing to


8453:But did you suggest it to him did he want to bring, take anything in <pause> or


8454:Yeah.


8455:oh yeah.


8456:Erm <pause> his, his cold looks as though it's settling in his eyes


8457:Mm.


8458:you know it's <pause> what else?
8459:Erm <pause> we didn't play cards <pause> he was a bit <pause> he was okay but he was obviously <pause> he's finding it hard at times.


8460:How do you mean hard <unclear >?


8461:Staying with it <pause> you know, he's tired.


8462:Mm.


8463:Don't look, there's no need to look like that!
8464:He was just


8465:I'm just a bit <unclear > <unclear > .


8466:he was tired, he's got this cold coming on <pause> but he said <pause> you can be in here so long but after a while <pause> you feel as though you've got to come out, you need to get out!
8467:You know he, and he's at that point now


8468:Mm.


8469:where he needs to get out.
8470:Which is fair enough.


8471:Angela rang me.
8472:What


8473:Alright, yeah?
8474:Has er <pause> Tony <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> phoned?
8475:Cos he said he'd phone back.


8476:No.
8477:Angela rang <pause> er <pause> anything happening.


8478:Yeah.


8479:I said well things are happening I said but quite honestly <unclear >


8480:Yeah.


8481:and er <pause> she said she was <unclear > <pause> she said had we talked to Dick and Joan or not?


8482:Yeah.


8483:I said, Angela we just haven't had the time.


8484:Have you explained?
8485:What


8486:What?


8487:why? <unclear >


8488:I said er <pause> that we would do it this weekend.


8489:Oh!
8490:Right.


8491:So we've got tomorrow, but she said till Tuesday


8492:Yeah okay right.


8493:and then I said I'd give her a ring.


8494:Yeah.


8495:I rang up er <pause> Gareth <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name">


8496:Yes.


8497:He wants <pause> he'll send us a er <pause> a rough erm <pause> sponsorship form cos I said we could do it on the computer you know, the


8498:Oh that's what I didn't bring back from school!
8499:Computer for Tony.


8500:And he said


8501:I'll have to.


8502:Mm.
8503:And also <pause> he said could he have a news <pause> sheet


8504:Mm.


8505:cos he says they're going round all the schools


8506:Mm.


8507:and er <pause> I said ooh well I said we need furniture because we're adopting the school and <pause> and


8508:Mm.


8509:you know <unclear > and I said that <pause> so I put that on, he said and what you actually want them to collect


8510:Mhm.


8511:and he said we're aiming for five thousand.


8512:Pounds?


8513:Yeah.
8514:And all the schools that they go into


8515:Yes.


8516:they're going to er


8517:Which schools are the is it the high schools they're getting into in the Midlands?


8518:<unclear > yeah.


8519:What about the pri <pause> they won't be do going into the primaries will they?


8520: You was sat there !
8521:Erm <pause> now, so he said erm <pause> that's what they're aiming for <pause> this thing that they want them to do on May the eighteenth <pause> plus a sponsorship walk on the sixth of June


8522:Yeah.


8523:plus all the schools that they're going to between and what do we want them to collect so they can do all <unclear > and that.


8524:Is this a realistic target he's setting at five thousand?


8525:Oh well he seems to.
8526:I said could we do anything?


8527:He thinks they'll be able to


8528:I said could we do anything?


8529:Yeah.


8530:So re I explained about <pause> father and he said you know, we must get together.


8531:Mhm.


8532:Er Tony won't be able to come tomorrow he's got to do his homework.


8533:Right.


8534:You're joking?


8535:Yeah, said he was going to do his homework.


8536:I think that's a


8537:So he's not gonna welcome grandpa


8538:There might be too much going on tomorrow, I think it's getting <unclear >


8539:There just might be too many people there.


8540:Yeah.


8541:Yeah.


8542:Getting <unclear > <unclear >


8543:Well we've got to <pause> we've gotta go there sort this bedroom out.


8544:I'd like to go and see him, I'd like, ah I know, say goodbye.


8545:To who?


8546:Everyone.


8547:Doesn't matter.


8548:Oh, just like to say goodbye!


8549:Doesn't matter Paul, they say i i


8550:I'd like to.


8551:in a place like that Paul people are coming and going all the time.


8552:Yes, just like to say goodbye.


8553:Anybody <pause> in particular there?


8554:Well let's hope we don't have to go back!
8555:Er <pause> no.


8556:See if we got that bottle of whisky <pause> got a bottle of Bells.


8557:Unopened?


8558:Yeah.


8559:Yeah?
8560:Erm <pause> yeah he's okay, he was <pause> he's in good spirits.
8561:He's looking to getting out of the hospit looking forward to a, a change


8562:What's that <unclear >


8563:of <pause> of scenery and so on.
8564:I was thinking you know <pause> he's go I don't know how long he's gonna be cooped up in that bedroom


8565:Mm.


8566:you know, how long


8567:Mm.


8568:and <pause> getting up and that <pause> would it be worthwhile buying him


8569:I suggested that.


8570:Buying him one?
8571:Not ge you know just


8572:Suggested that I erm


8573:To whom?


8574:he don't want one.


8575:To whom?


8576:To both of them.


8577:When?


8578:Er <pause> the other night <pause> after we'd got that one <pause> mm.


8579:What was their reaction?


8580:Mm.
8581:No.


8582:Really?


8583:Yeah.


8584:<unclear > your mum doesn't she?


8585:Yeah.


8586:That's a simple one she said.


8587: Just get her one of them .


8588:That's what I was thinking.


8589:But did he say anything?


8590:No.
8591:No.
8592:The only thing is <pause> he's gonna find <pause> being a lot of tensions there.


8593:Yeah.


8594:Once the erm <pause> initial <pause> ecstasy of being home has <pause> is over.
8595:Er


8596:Why?


8597:I don't know how long that'll take for it to be over, whether five minutes or fi


8598: <unclear > .


8599:or ten hours.
8600:Pardon?


8601: <unclear > .


8602:From them <pause> you know <pause> ma <pause> that she's got over the ecstasy of, yes he's coming home?
8603:She's not looking forward to it?


8604: <unclear > .


8605:No?
8606:Right.


8607: <unclear > and now he'll have to change his ways and he'll have to take her shopping .


8608:She's been saying that?
8609:And what <pause> and surely you didn't <pause> just say nothing to that?

 <unclear >


8610:Didn't you tell her that was a bit unfair?


8611: I can't can I ?


8612:You can tell her, I'm afraid that's what you need to do!


8613:Mhm.


8614:No, no, no, the longer you <pause> the longer you let something like that ride


8615: <unclear > .


8616:Ah well no that's


8617: <unclear > staying longer and <unclear > she's going to come here <pause> to tell <unclear > well you know the reality! <unclear >


8618:Yep.


8619:<unclear > <pause> there .


8620:Yeah but <pause> what I'm saying is <pause> when she says things like that I think you've got to be clear <pause> and honest with her.


8621: The thing is they won't be going shopping, they won't be doing anything for a long time <pause> and she's


8622:And it, it isn't a personal thing on his part <pause> it's no not going shopping or driving her here there and everywhere <pause> because he <pause> he, he, he <pause> er er he doesn't want to it's just that he's incap he will be incapable of doing it.
8623: Sh surely she understands that?


8624: She does, and then it <pause> just fades into the background <pause> she will have to go if she needs to get bread and milk and things tomorrow <pause> I'll have to take her .
8625:Come on let's ring up Aunty Felicity.


8626:Why?


8627:Well, in New Zealand.


8628:Call New Zealand.


8629: We we, we, we'll

 <unclear >


8630:waffle.


8631:waffle.


8632:Waffle.


8633:Potato, you can make out of potatoes


8634:Right dad.


8635:And I can <unclear >


8636:<unclear > <pause> is it like a crisp?
8637:Or is it thicker?


8638:Ah oh no!


8639:No.


8640:You know like mashed potato?


8641:Yeah.


8642:You know, you know when you're on


8643:I'm <unclear > <pause> I'm ringing Aunty Felicity


8644:make those toasties?


8645:I'm ringing er


8646:Yeah.


8647:You know the toasties?


8648:New Zealand.


8649:If you make them <pause> you can make a waffle <pause> with mashed potato


8650:So it's fried potato.


8651:instead of bread <pause> gril yeah, grilled it, fry it type of potato.


8652:Right, it's fried potato.


8653:Grilled, fried


8654:<unclear > have waffles <unclear >


8655:They are erm <pause> I wo I wouldn't call it he


8656:<unclear > Paul.


8657:I wouldn't call it healthy eating.


8658:No.


8659:You know, it's alright but if you just eat waffles, it's like just eating chips!


8660:<unclear > yeah.


8661:Yeah.


8662:Sooner or later you're gonna say that's not healthy eating.


8663:I phoned up er, what do call her, Ann?


8664:Okay?


8665:Yeah.


8666:You phoned


8667:And


8668:up Ann?
8669:Paula?

 <unclear >


8670:Paula?
8671:Paula?
8672:Paul, shush!
8673:You phoned up Ann, Paula?


8674:Phoned up Ann, yeah she in


8675:Joan?


8676:so I left a message.


8677:Joan?


8678:I rang Joan yesterday.
8679:Rang her up today.


8680:No, you can give her a ring later.
8681:There's no rush for that one now.
8682:Is this, is this New Zealand.


8683:New Zealand.


8684:<vocal desc=cough> Yes it <unclear >


8685: Whe where's the number?


8686:O


8687:One


8688:one <pause> O


8689: <unclear > .


8690:Shush shush!


8691:eight, four


8692:Is that one?
8693:One

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8694:Gooday sport!


8695:What's the name of the family?

 <unclear >


8696:Eh what time is it

 <unclear >


8697:though?


8698:Ah, well you


8699:Ma!


8700:won't it takes ages


8701:Ma!


8702:to get through!


8703:I just got a long continuance tone.


8704:Press it out.


8705:What there <pause> what time is it in New Zealand?


8706:Twelve hours


8707:Gooday cobber!


8708:What time is it now?
8709:Twenty five to ten, it's twenty five to ten there but in the morning.


8710:Oh.


8711:So Felicity's just got up.


8712:Oh it's morning?


8713:She's just up.


8714:Is it ringing?


8715:No.


8716:Let me try it.


8717:They'll be a way of doing your blocks.


8718:Yeah.


8719:Course it's morning there isn't it? <unclear >


8720:O one O just gets you out of the country.


8721:New Zealand.


8722:Is New Zealand six, four?


8723:Hello cobber!
8724:Have you got, have you got some <unclear >?
8725:No, you got some <unclear >? <unclear >.


8726:O one <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8727:O one O!


8728:O one O

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8729:Yeah got that.
8730:Is it nineteen next?

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8731:Where's your nineteen in there?
8732:In that list?
8733:Have you got a nineteen?


8734:Well it's Auckland <pause> <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">, oh maybe that's a comma?


8735:Sorry, you have dialled incorrectly!
8736:It's telling me


8737:O one O <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8738:there's a <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number"> in there


8739:<gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number"> <pause> is Auckland, which is there.


8740:Auckland, yeah.

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8741:So it's not <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">?


8742:No.


8743:That's why.
8744:O one O


8745:You know the <unclear > <pause> you know what this is?


8746:<gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number"> <pause> nine


8747:nine


8748:then it'll be the area code won't it?

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">

 <gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">


8749:<gap reason=anonymization desc="telephone number">.
8750:Scrub out that one.


8751:Say good news, that should be <unclear > over the phone <unclear >.


8752:It's ringing!
8753:There we are <pause> round the other side of the world!


<unclear >


8754:Chin up!


8755: Hello Pat, it's Paula <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> is Felicity around?
8756:You can tell her it's good news, don't worry her!


8757:Is it clear?


8758:I said it, I said it's good news and she rushed off, he comes out tomorrow if er <pause> I said, I said I shouted as your friend ran off, I shouted tell her it's good news !
8759:Er <pause> ee he comes out tomorrow, he's had <pause> two biopsies <pause> to doubly check <pause> and


8760:From different parts of the


8761:and


8762:lump.


8763:the different parts of the lump and <pause> today he was told that the second biopsy was clear <pause> it's not malignant


8764:As was the first.


8765:and it is a case of <pause> it's, it's problems from the radiation treatment


8766:It's a reaction to it.


8767:it's a reaction and it's caused <pause> that er, but it's not malignant <pause> he's literally turned the corner <pause> oh, Monday, Tuesday


8768: Similar to his <unclear > .


8769:Monday, Tuesday, he started getting better <pause> and, and he's steadily got better and better and better, he's very, very tired, he's not well <pause> he's very tired but er it's <pause> oh yes, yeah!
8770:It's not malignant <pause> and <pause> he's coming home, so we've got to pick him up tomorrow morning <pause> and he's smashing!
8771:No er, we didn't


8772: Sh


8773:think he would but he's done it!


8774:She can celebrate in whisky!


8775:Right <pause> so you can celebrate <pause> he said


8776:With whisky!


8777:have a whisky!
8778:Yeah.
8779: I <pause> is it ten o'clock in the morning?


8780:Twenty five to.


8781:Ask her if she's enjoying it?


8782:What's the weather like?
8783:What's the


8784:Twenty to eleven.
8785:What's the weather like?
8786:Oh my word!
8787: An and what, and what's it <pause> really?
8788:It's so nice?


8789:It is here.


8790:Yeah.


8791: <unclear > .


8792:Yeah.

 <unclear >


8793:Yeah.


8794:Yeah.


8795:But <pause> while we're talking here we'll be letting Felicity


8796:Yeah.


8797:be late won't it?


8798:Mm.
8799:Slightly <pause> it's got to be.
8800:It can't be instant.


8801:Oh lovely!


<unclear >


8802:Oh well, oh well done!


8803:It's the other side of the world!


8804: I it th this is easier to get than Romania!


8805:<unclear >, it's the ideal thing!
8806:Oh I'm glad you're enjoying it.


<unclear >


8807:Anyway, it's very, very good news, he's turned the corner <pause> I've hit him over the head with the newspaper!


<unclear >


8808:Yeah.
8809:Yeah, yeah.
8810:In between <pause> yeah, here's Alice, he sh here she is she'll come and talk to you across the world <pause> be go be going <pause> be going back tomorrow


8811:I, she she's hobbling through!


8812:Hobbling through.


8813:The old woman!


8814:Yeah <pause> er, no <pause> since he's been in, he th is, here she is .


8815:Talk to Australia now <pause> gran.


8816:New Zealand.


8817: Are you having a good time?


8818:New Zealand, yeah.


8819: Shut up <pause> Shut up !


8820:Is it?
8821:Have you got yourself an ice cream parlour?

 <vocal desc=laugh>


8822:Not yet!
8823:Line them up!
8824:Line them up!
8825:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> <unclear > <pause> <vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Line them up!


8826:Here si sit down!


8827:Oh he keeps looking at me.
8828:Here's Arthur .


8829:Oh!
8830:Here's Arthur!
8831:Hello, here's Arthur.


8832: Hello there!


<unclear >


8833:How are you?


8834:Right across the world, fine!


8835:Yeah.


8836:Comfortable.


8837:Yeah.


8838:Yeah, and New Zealand is smashing! <unclear >


8839:Yeah, he's a, he's an old fraud isn't he?
8840:Really?


8841:Yeah, he's an old fraud!


8842:Nothing more than ol bloody, old bugger!


8843:Can I have a <unclear >

 <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


8844:No, ah so that's right I've sworn into, I've sworn into the Pacific how about that!
8845:Did you have a good flight?
8846:Did you have a good flight?


8847:Comfortable


8848:Yeah.


<unclear >


8849:Great lovely!
8850:Right then.


<unclear >


8851:Well yeah, well


8852:Okay then?


8853:Yeah, I'll see you, go back to bed!


8854:Right.


8855:Enjoy yourself.


8856:Oh no, <unclear >!


8857:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Oh I know you have a


<unclear >


8858:I've


<unclear >


8859:I know I a I know I haven't got you up.


<unclear >


8860:At the moment?


8861:What time is it with you?


8862:Erm <pause> it's ju twenty to ten.
8863:Twenty to


8864:Twenty to ten at night?


8865:Yep.


8866:You're ready for bed?


8867:No I


8868:We've lived that day!


8869: No, oh you've had it !
8870:Hey, must of ee ee, wha what's it like?
8871:<vocal desc=laugh> Is


8872:<unclear > oh you would love it!


8873:Oh alright, in that case I'll stay up! <vocal desc=laugh>


<unclear >


8874: Oh but i we never pay the bills!
8875:Right, I'll see you Fliss, I'll see you love!
8876:Okay, right thanks bye!
8877:Bye!


<unclear >


8878:Yeah, will do, thanks, bye!


8879:Right bye!


8880:Bye!
8881:Bye!


8882:It's a clear line isn't it?


<unclear >


8883:God innit clear?


8884:Int it clear!


8885:All tho


8886:All the way by satellite!


8887:<unclear > somebody in New Zealand!


8888:I swore in the Pacific!
8889:How about that! <vocal desc=laugh>


8890:Ooh!


8891:That's by satellite that is!


8892:I thought I was talking somebody in


8893:Brilliant.


8894:You when the when they say <pause> it's better in <pause> than er <pause> phoning up down the road


8895:Yeah.


8896:It's right.
8897:Mm.


8898:<unclear > it's right.


8899:Good old B T!


8900:I'm gonna <unclear >


8901:Oh that smells good!


8902:This is for them tomorrow

 <unclear >


8903:for dinner.


8904:Does she know?


8905:You can say that!


8906:Have you told ha you?


8907:Yeah.


8908:Oh is that that steak I got the other night?


8909:It's clear on <unclear >


8910:Is it all in there?


8911:Pardon?


8912:All the steak in there?
8913:Mm, they'll


8914:Swap


8915:enjoy that!


8916:tomorrow?


8917:No!
8918:Grandma's having this tomorrow.
8919:You'll enjoy this grandma won't you?


8920:What?


8921:This <pause> steak and onions?
8922:Have you smelt it?
8923:It's for you tomorrow!


8924:Oh!
8925:I said, I think we should leave it home and have it tomorrow.


8926:I think you should as well.


8927:Paula leave it at home!


8928:Aye, leave it at home Paula!


8929:Aye.


8930:Yeah <pause> I like that!


8931:He likes that!


8932:Yeah. <vocal desc=laugh>

 <unclear >


8933: Yo your mother won't like that!
8934:Shh!


8935:No, leave it at home.


8936:Will you


<unclear >


8937:will your grandma like that?


8938:No you'll hate it won't you? <unclear > <pause> you'll throw it in the bin and grandma can throw it away <unclear >!

 <unclear >


8939:I think we'll have a celebration tonight, now


8940:Yeah.


8941:Can't!


8942:Oh I can!


8943:Ah we can!


8944:Ah oh, what shall we have?
8945:Let's have a


8946:Excellent!


8947:look erm


8948:Er


8949:erm, eeny meeny miney mo!


8950:Brurgh, that one.


8951:No, not that one.


8952:Shut your eyes and point.


8953:Hold on, there's a nice whisky somewhere!


8954:<unclear > Paula, they haven't <unclear >!


8955:How about a vodka?


8956:Cor!


8957:I know where there's a whisky!
8958:It's up in the sideboard <unclear >.


8959:Has it been opened cos we're going to need one for the


8960:That's it.


8961:Lou's got my other bottle of whisky.


8962:Can you put that away for me love?


8963:Let it cool down first.


8964:No, the oven's <unclear >


8965:Oh, let it cool down first.


<unclear >


8966:And you always turn this off, this <unclear >


8967:<unclear > whisky Paul!


8968:My feet are killing me!


8969:Oh, your feet are killing you!
8970:Well you shouldn't have ironed!
8971:No


8972:I shouldn't of got


8973:no sympathy for you at all!
8974:None at all!


8975:You got a Glenfiddich.


8976:A Glenfiddich.
8977:I'll have that Jim Beam <pause> that'll do.


8978:The Glenfiddich's been opened as well.
8979:That's open.


8980:It never has?


8981:It has.


8982:Oh <pause> I'll have to take that tomorrow.


8983:Do you want a Glenfiddich now?


8984:No, I'll have the Jim Beam thanks.
8985:It's foul stuff, it gets in your mouth!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


8986:Haven't you ever noticed that?


8987:What <pause> <unclear >?


8988:Whisky <pause> gets right in your mouth!


8989:Oh how original!


8990:Ho!
8991:Ho!
8992:Ho!


8993:Ho!
8994:Ho! <unclear >


8995:Can I have a little bit?


8996:No.


8997:Just at the bottom of the bottle?


8998:No.


8999:That's a wonderful <unclear > <pause> you know, when you think of it it is wonderful!


9000:What whisky?


9001:What you on about?


9002:No, being able to talk to somebody.


9003:Oh!
9004:I thought you were on about your husband coming out of hospital!


9005: Whe whe whe whe whe when did father, grandpa said


9006:Was there a pause?


9007:and they're pouring it in there say well

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9008:how much do you want?
9009: The go he goes


9010: Bu bu wha wha wha wo wo


9011: whe whe whe whe oh when!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9012:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> You stammer <pause> and they go and pour it!


9013:Mm, you won't like this Paul!
9014:It isn't a nice one actually.


9015:Can't I have a tiny bit?


9016:No!


9017:Just a drop.


9018:No you're too young!


9019:Half a tumbler?


9020:No, you're too young!


9021:Can I have a


9022:You can ask as much as you like and the answer will be no!


9023:Mum, can I have a


9024:You know when you're fortunate we're giving them


9025:Can I have <unclear >


9026:Do you know you were fortunate when you're given wine!


9027:That's about a <unclear >.
9028:Excuse me!


9029:No, it's not fortunate, not wine!


9030:When you give them wine.


9031:No!


9032:I <pause> I'm sorry!


<unclear >


9033:I, I, I can't get in!


9034:Sorry!
9035:<pause> We <pause> we didn't reali eh are your shoes filthy Paul?


9036:No.
9037:No.


9038:Take them off!
9039:Look at the <pause> carpet!


9040:It's just been moved backwards and forwards!


9041:It's just the


9042:Oh is it the pile?


9043:It's the pile of it, yeah.


9044:Is that how it goes?


9045:It's that long.
9046:It's a


9047:<unclear > how it goes.


9048:a deep pile.
9049:It's like that.
9050:Over here will do the same.


9051:It's not, I don't think <unclear >


9052:Can I


<unclear >


9053:Can I have Advocaat then dad?


9054:Yes.


9055:Yeah, you can have one.


9056:Ooh an Advocaat's enough! <unclear >


9057:What do you want then mother?
9058:What would you like?
9059:Would you like some of that brandy?
9060:Medicinal?


9061:Cor you


9062:Mhm.
9063:Do you want some medicinal?
9064:I'll get you some medicinal.


9065:Are you, <unclear > are we allowing for this or


9066:Oh, you're always allowed medicinal.
9067:You be careful!

 <unclear >


9068:Medicinal.


9069:Not with the egg shell in it, no!


9070: Do you want straight brandy ?


9071:Or Kirschberry


9072: Kirschberry


9073:You want the Kirschberry one?


9074:It's nice that Kirschberry one!


9075:It's nice, yeah.


9076:I'll have a drop of that actually.


9077:A wee drop!


9078:A drop of Kirsch.


9079:Aye!
9080:I'll be like Geor <pause> Geo George's mother <pause> <unclear > one year <pause> and his mo <pause> and his mother was in her seventies <pause> he came in <unclear > says to daddy <pause> ho gosh <unclear >!
9081:So John says well <pause> take a bit <unclear > with some gin <pause> so George took it


9082:And she drank it and drank it!


9083:so


9084:E'er.


9085:so she sa she


9086:It'll do you good!
9087:Put hairs on your chest!


9088:She never, she never drank alcohol at all


9089:Oh yeah!


9090:so


9091:Ha!


9092:George


9093:I've met these people before!


9094:you know


9095:Oh no!


9096:she was marvellous


9097:Yeah.

 <unclear >


9098:Yeah, yeah <unclear >


<unclear >


9099:Only on doctor's orders


9100:George <pause> thought


9101:Don't sa


9102:and you know, George <unclear > it you see <pause> so she said <pause> that brandy was very nice

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9103: I think I'll have another glass


9104:Got a bit of a kick to it!


9105:but er

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9106:so he said <pause> so he poured her another one <pause> and she said <pause> I want another glass George so he said

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9107:and by time she'd drunk about six glasses <unclear >


9108:She'd be flat on her back!


9109:she was i she was shouting


9110:Yeah.


9111:so he said they put her to bed and he said it was best Christmas they ever <unclear > !


9112: Nice quiet Christmas !


9113: That's quite good !
9114:So that was George's


9115:Get your own mother legless and


9116:That's it.


9117:put her in the bedroom and then enjoy the rest of Christmas!


9118:He said then he, we could carry on with the serious stuff !


9119:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> And what was that?


<unclear >


9120:The whisky?


9121:Well it's


9122:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> Don't drink it too quick!


9123:I'm not <pause> I'm just taking a sip <pause> <unclear >


9124:And he said <unclear >


<unclear >


<unclear >


<unclear >


9125:another glass George that was real good!

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9126:Well <pause> that time that I got <pause> cayleyed I didn't realise I


9127:When did you get


9128:You want to


9129: cayleyed


9130:Well <pause> when


9131:We're recording now <pause>


9132:Yeah <pause> she's very exhausting, ain't she?


9133:She's an old lady though


9134:Oh Arthur it's not that


9135:It is, yes, that's making it worse <pause> she's an old lady


9136:Could you have her to live with you?


9137:No she'd drive me

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9138:up the wall


9139:I know I've said that and you said oh no I could cope with your mum and


9140:I thought I could, I thought I could <pause> I really thought I could but oh God <pause> I'd be okay if I could <pause>


9141:You'll never have any life you know


9142:could go deaf, if I could go selectively deaf, then I'll be alright


9143:You'll never have any life of your own would you?


9144:<vocal desc=laugh> Well that's fair enough


9145:I never said she, she, I mean, I think, I blame myself as well I think I was on edge, but everything, everything she questions, you know, like she can't be nice, says no you're not having anything oh she says


9146:No I think that's just showing interest, that's the questioning that's just showing interest


9147:But then she'll ask you three times <pause> again, three times


9148:Yeah, that's, that's when it's hard she asks you the same thing again and again and a few minutes later, then half an hour later, then, then you think have you listened <vocal desc=laugh>


9149:I've told you that, I mean today she was asking, she, she was standing there while I loaded the dishwasher she says I've got to learn how to do it haven't I?
9150:I thought oh go away


9151:What learn how to


9152:and that's how you do it


9153:She hasn't got one


9154:No but


9155:She's not going to get one


9156:really, really she


<unclear >


9157:with her she had to learn


9158:Oh I see, yeah, ah, go, she's just, she's just got to have something to do <pause>


9159:Yeah, but anything she does takes her such a long time, I mean like the ironing like


9160:Well yeah but she is seven seventy isn't she <pause> has it always taken her or has it?


9161:Yes


9162:It's always taken twice, three times the length of time as anybody else?


9163:but then she'll go upstairs and come down but then she'll go upstairs and come down


9164:Bit of exercise <pause> keeping herself fit


9165:I wonder if Philip was or wasn't


9166:Pardon?


9167:I wonder if Philip was or wasn't


9168:You wonder if Philip was what?


9169:purely that he was really just


9170:Oh I think it was psychological that <pause>


9171:if it was he's in a bad way int he?


9172:Erm, well what your mum and dad said to me is that he gets very worried, het up, really tensed about doing things, that's going, you know, things that are gonna happen, like just driving down to a different place, er and he get's himse himself so het up, so worried, he makes himself ill, I think that's what's happened


9173:And as soon as he got home the pressure was off


9174:The pressure was off and he was fine and he was <pause> he was his normal self <pause> and that's what happens each time


9175:Yeah cos if it was as bad as he said it was, I mean he would only stand up for one or two hours at a time, whereas he'd been up since nine, he was still sitting up at one o'clock when I arrived there


9176:Yeah, he made a miraculous recovery today <pause> and I think that seems to point or to confirm what your, what your mum and dad was saying <pause>


9177:Well that sort of problem will only get worse


9178:Yeah I'm afraid so, I think it's compounded by the fact that your, what your dad says sums it up beautifully about your mum, I was talking to him about, you know, what does she, what she's got in her life other than what she ever had other than a home, working and so on, has she got any hobbies at home or does she do anything is there anything that takes her mind off things


9179:Yeah, but she still has Philip


9180:and he says no she hasn't, she, her hobby is Philip


9181:but as soon as Philip can't do what she wants him to do I E run to the door


9182:Then she turns on him


9183:then she turns on him


9184:then she turns on him, yes


9185:I mean I hate the way she stands behind somebody mouths and


9186:Mimics


9187:mimics them and that, oh I hate that, I hate that <pause> as I say a few times I thought to myself I do not like


9188:You are my mother <vocal desc=laugh>


9189:Yeah


9190:the Germans are out are they?
9191:<pause> Must get better a few people are walking about <pause> very, very


<unclear >


9192:how many miles have we done?
9193:What's the tachometer?


9194:Seven four three


9195:We've done seventeen thousand


9196:We've got seventeen thousand


9197:Seventeen hundred


9198:forty three miles


<unclear >


9199:this month


9200:Since when?


9201:This month, we did one thousand in January, one thousand and four in January <pause>


9202:I, er, shows you, that's in this month?


9203:In this month, mind you we've used this one most <pause> Today she was saying, hadn't Tony decided which school he was going to and then she started which school should he go to, will you have to pay?
9204:Well won't it take him a lot longer than going to Cramley?
9205:And, and I thought we had this conversation two weeks ago


9206:With her


9207:Yes about when he was deciding


9208:Mm


9209:well why and why not, oh shut up I don't


9210:Do you know when we came back from


<unclear >


9211:last year when Jimmy and Anna


9212:Yeah


9213:yeah and we went round, you know we went round the


<unclear >


9214:with them


9215:Yeah


9216:went to Coventry


9217:Mm


9218:yeah, when we came back, did we see your mum and dad and Philip when we came back from that?


9219:Yes


9220:Did we talk about where we'd been and what we'd done, what we'd seen and what had happened?


9221:In Romania?


9222:No here


9223:Yeah


9224:Yeah


9225:Why?


9226:Well today we were behind a G registration Jag and I turned to Paul and I said oh maybe that's one of the Jaguars we saw being built in Coventry and I said no, no, no, corrected myself, I said couldn't of been


9227:G reg


9228:because it would have to of been H reg wouldn't it?
9229:<pause> And then she said oh, have you seen Jaguars being made?
9230:I thought yeah, last year, don't you remember?
9231:No, why did you go to Cadburys?
9232:<vocal desc=laugh> And then it was oh we didn't, you know, you had a free sample at Cadburys, oh, I said we got a free sample from Jaguar, we got some walnut veneer which is, I suppose, half Cadburys


<unclear >


9233:no, oh I said well do do don't you remember we went to Massey Fergusons as well


<unclear >


9234:did you arrange it yourself?
9235:Oh <vocal desc=laugh> God <pause> I thought ya, ya, ya, ya, ya


9236:She's partly dementia


9237:She could be, actually she could be going


9238:Yeah


9239:started to go


9240:Senile


9241:She could be <pause>


9242:Yeah but if she is she's


9243:She's a bit young for that though


9244:No, but if she is, she's, she's been going that way a long time.

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9245:Oh we're horrible


9246:No I think the mother-in-law jokes are right <pause> she's a cracker <pause> hope it isn't too busy in here <pause>


9247:Oh well pop over one night after school just one night this week and that's it, just pop over and


9248:You'll end up shopping then


9249:No I won't


9250:It will <pause> you'll end up going shopping <pause>


9251:she had her chance today


9252:Well do, do you want me to put a five pound bet on that?
9253:Eh?
9254:Will you bet me?


9255:I reckon Philip will be capable don't you?


9256:No, yes, but I think you'll end up going shopping just to get out the house


9257:Yeah maybe father'll say take her out, take her out


9258:Take her out, take her out yeah


9259:get rid of her


9260:Okay, let's see if we can find a parking spot, here, it'll do nicely, or there or there, no there's not one there


9261:No there isn't one in there, there's one up here


9262:Do that one, bit worried about that computer in the back you know


9263:Yes, I think I'd of taken it back <pause>


9264:There we are


9265:There we are


9266:Right, let's away, I think we're just


9267:I wanted to get a cardigan for school the other day and


<unclear >


9268:cos I want to come out of thick woollies now it is March <pause>


9269:Yeah <pause>


9270:Have a look in here and see if they've got any <pause>


9271:Pardon?


9272:I want a cardigan for school


9273:Yeah you just said <pause> have they got a sale on?
9274:<pause> Nothing there


9275:Mm


9276:no <pause> what you looking for, what type?


9277:Just a plain cardigan man's


9278:Plain colour


9279:a couple of man's, I've got a black and white man


9280:Light to mid weight


9281:Yeah, but erm <pause>


9282:It looks as though you're gonna be a bit unlucky, wait a minute, oh no, no <pause> I'm a wanderer, do, do, do, do no that's your lot Paula <pause> I wonder if they've got any more of those decent <pause> knives, those Kitchen Devils


9283:We've got two, erm, we don't need any more


9284:How much are these now?


9285:Well what


9286:It isn't a case of <pause> wanting them <pause> they're such good knives you don't get them at that price, too often <pause> right can we just have a look at the price of microwaves, while we're here


<unclear >


9287:pardon?


9288:If you want one prefer one with conventional oven


9289:Oh sure, no


<unclear >


9290:she doesn't need one, she won't be able to use it <pause> ninety four pounds


9291:That's all she wants, here you are


9292:Ah it's got a cheap, cheap interior, no it's too


9293:But that's an oven as well <pause>


9294:Sanyo, it's even buy British <pause> Have you found anything?


9295:A Wrangler T-shirt for Paul


9296:T-shirts, what for Paul?


9297:I wonder if he'll have one of those?


9298:Blue he wants, doesn't he?


9299:Medium


9300:Well if he doesn't like it Tony'll wear it <pause> get one of, Paula get one of those, one of these <pause> made in Sri Lanka


9301:I'm only getting one


9302:Oh get, get this, too, doesn't matter, oh Tony'll wear it


9303:Tony won't wear it with Wrangler on the front


9304:He will <pause> I will if he doesn't


9305:They're the wrong size for you


9306:Medium


9307:bring it back, I wouldn't get a white one


9308:Why not?


9309:Because he, Paul gets them filthy <pause>


9310:There are, one of these <pause> large


9311:Medium


9312:I'll have one as well for that price <pause> reduced to clear, what's that?

 <unclear > <pause>


9313:Have you got any more of your compact discs?
9314:No the, they're the cheap ones, what you looking for?


9315:Them


<unclear >


9316:oh this handy box, oh yes <pause> are they the same price as before?


9317:They were cheaper before weren't they?


9318:I thought they were, but could be wrong, how many do you want?


9319:A couple of


<unclear >


9320:just one?


9321:Two <pause> just right for


<unclear >


9322:boxes though


9323:Mm <pause>


9324:He'd wear his


9325:Where what was?


9326:all starts now


9327:Oh the <pause> your shopping starts here <pause> What do we need?
9328:Binliners <pause> you're okay for erm, what you call it?
9329:Clingfilm


9330:Yeah


<unclear >


9331:might as well


<unclear >


9332:but no, use that erm bottle stuff we've got, we dilute, it's supposed to be good stuff, you're suppose to get the same quality out of it as, out of that and it's cheaper <pause> we okay for glasses?


9333:Yeah, I bought some the other day


9334:Yeah, I know you did, but, we okay


9335:Mm


9336:have you seen this?
9337:An old, it looks like an old style <pause> take it on to the Antiques Road Show <pause>


9338:Should of bought the gas bottle


9339:Have you got one that's running out?


9340:I thought you said it was


<unclear >


9341:no, I said it was running out, have you one that's run out then?
9342:<pause> Pardon


9343:I thought that was the second one


9344:So erm, if we run out, we run out <pause> Which whisky did you get?


9345:Bells


9346:What, bottle of Bells, ah, oh you go


9347:Two, two bottles of wine


9348:Did you get it from here?


9349:No from that


9350:From where?


9351:you know those shops near


9352:Oh near the hospital, yeah, and you got parked in there?


9353:If you go behind the bank


9354:Why wants some

 <unclear > <pause>


9355:Here we are, what do you need?
9356:<pause> What shampoo?
9357:<pause> Wash and Go <pause>


9358:Tissues, box of tissues <pause>


9359:Don't lean on it


<unclear >


9360:make you go to sleep


9361:no I'm not leaning, you rotten devil


9362:<vocal desc=laugh> <pause> It looks like a bomb has hit it here

 <unclear > <pause>


9363:I don't think we need anything else out of here do we?


9364:No


9365:No <pause>


9366:Oh white


<unclear >


9367:pardon?


9368:White


<unclear >


9369:they can see it, but <pause> there's two different types <pause> we'll try that one though


<unclear >


9370:how much is this?


9371:Two and five


9372:God that brings back memories


<unclear >


9373:let's seal it, now you want some goats cheese with that, that's what you'll need, lying on the beach at midnight going to sleep in your sleeping bag, with a bottle of that and your goats cheese


9374:We're going away in October by the way


9375:Are we?
9376:Where we going to?


9377:We're going to go down to the travel agents


9378:<vocal desc=laugh> Famous last words


9379:and we're gonna


<unclear >


9380:he'll be back in hospital <pause>


9381:and we're gonna say, where's the cheapest place you can go


9382:Here are Paula, it's better stuff


9383:I don't think they're all that keen on that one


9384:It's good for you


<unclear >


9385:and we're gonna say where's the cheapest place you can go?


9386:They'll say home


9387:And we're having a week

 <unclear >


9388:We'll have a week at home then, cheapest place you can go, I tell you where you can go that's really good, your mum's, have a week with your mother <pause> nervous wreck by the sea <pause>


9389:But we are


9390:Do we need washing powder?


9391:No


9392:What about erm, oven top cleaner?
9393:Got it, yeah <pause> oh <pause>


9394:because with a bit of luck Tony wants to know


<unclear >


9395:ah I think he might find he will be


9396:Are we alright for, yeah


9397:Yes we're alright, er salt, are we okay for salt?


9398:I don't know <pause>


9399:I haven't bought any recently <pause>


9400:Are you pleased that he's chosen er Northgate?
9401:<pause> Which one were you hoping to choose?


9402:Facilities Northgate, I thought the people at Stowmarket at Stow Utland were on the par with the others, you know you can get, you can easily be convinced that the place is good because of it


9403:Well this is it


9404:because of the look of it, when in fact that's only part of it <pause> it depends whether he's gonna be motivated there, they mo it's not gonna need much motivation but if people are interested in you for what you are like, like they have been, yeah, and he's experienced all, he's been somebody special there hasn't he?


9405:Yeah


9406:Yeah, and if he becomes just an auto run it could just knock him back a bit, one of the crowd, you know, just another one <pause>


9407:Do you think that's likely to happen?


9408:Er, I hope I don't think

 <unclear >


9409:I don't think it will, but I'm sure it wouldn't do at the other two places


9410:Ah, so which one were you hoping he'd gone for?


9411:I was hop I hadn't, I hadn't really made up my mind <pause> that's plenty biscuits Paula, yeah it's plent don't get, biscuit mania, Easter eggs, God


9412:Oh, do you want a Cadbury's Creme Egg?


9413:No I don't <pause> when is Easter, it's late isn't it?


9414:It's ages, ages


9415:April, it's another six weeks yet isn't it?


9416:Yeah <pause>


9417:What you looking for?
9418:Anything special?


9419:What do you want?


9420:Pardon?


9421:What do you want?
9422:Oh let's have a Crunchie <pause> you


9423:Nothing <pause> oh dear


<unclear >


9424:erm


9425:No


9426:Northgate


9427:no I think it's the speciality is that, in him and how he reacts with people, it isn't you know just what he's good at or not good at <pause>


9428:You don't think he'll be er <pause>


9429:Don't think he'll what? <pause>


9430:you know got enough to go to university, things like that to of been top dog all your school life, it might do you good not to be


9431:Yeah, but it depends what, how it takes, what form it takes <pause> if he's <pause> if it's sort of their others are of similar ability, okay, but if it's because, if people don't take any notice of him because of


9432:Oh yeah, mm, mm


9433:no just because of they're that type, they don't take any notice of anybody


9434:Yeah, yeah <pause> but you think that, that'll happen at Northgate?


9435:you know, don't take an interest in them as people


9436:Think that could happen at Northgate?


9437:I think that could happen anywhere, but

 <unclear > <pause>


9438:but


9439:It does have implications mind you for Paul, cos where's Paul gonna go?


9440:No it doesn't, he, he doesn't have to follow his brother's footsteps


9441:No


9442:he's got to be his own person


<unclear >


9443:he's got to be himself, for, yeah selfish it's been easier for us for transport problem, if Paul decides to go somewhere else I think you've got to give 'em them freedom to do it, freedom of choice


9444:Oh


<unclear >


9445:where Nathan goes


9446:Really, so Paul is in, hasn't got freedom then?


9447:He's been with him since primary school, it'll be nice to go to, cos they're going off to America when they've finished


9448:Is that right?

 <vocal desc=laugh>


9449:Is that what Paul said?


9450:Paul's gonna bum around for a year I reckon


9451:Good, it'll do him good


<unclear >


9452:I think, I think he needs to do it


<unclear >


9453:<vocal desc=laugh> No I just think he needs to do it


9454:Oh he might never settle down


9455:He, he just might grow up a little bit


<unclear >


9456:cotton wool, Tony


<unclear >


9457:oh yes, which ones


9458:I don't know which ones they like


9459:There's, there's one of these beef and tomato I think, I seem to recognize that

 <unclear > <pause>


9460:Yeah it might as you say with Paul but I'd be more worried about Paul bombing around every year than Tony


9461:I'd be more worried about Tony, cos I don't think Tony's as well wise as Paul is, in some ways <pause> really for both of them it wouldn't do them any harm you know because look, they're, they're, they're not typical lads in many ways


<unclear >


9462:which I <pause> they're not typical lads in many ways are they?


9463:I'd rather they'd


<unclear >


9464:university than before


<unclear >


9465:you know I rather did it before because if you do it after that's when the job situation becomes a bit of problem, look at John, look what's happening there


9466:You can't blame John, he didn't want a job, he can't turn round now and say he's got the wrong degree, he didn't want a job <pause>


9467:Don't know, I've never spoken to him at all, don't know


9468:He didn't want a job that's what he had said he wanted to have time out he didn't want a job he could get a job when he wanted to, he can't now turn round and blame it on


9469:The degree


9470:the degree <pause>


9471: Oh God do you want some toast then?


9472:No


9473:I'm gonna get some healthy bread <pause> any blackcurrant pies?


9474:I've not got them down love


9475:Why is it that you have everything but, there you are, there you are <pause> they're cheap too aren't they?


9476:Yeah


9477:Shall I get two lots? <pause>


<unclear >


9478:yes, yeah <pause> have you much bread in the freezer Paula?


9479:Tony wanted to know what


<unclear >


9480:Paula have you much bread in the freezer?


9481:waffles, what are these?
9482:Doughnut waffles


9483:It's the way they're made, no that's we'll, that is heart attack time, that is


9484:That's not waffle love that, that's not


<unclear >


9485:no, erm <pause> Paula you can get them in the frozen food section love


9486:Yeah I know you can


9487:I've seen them down there <pause> have a big bone through that, have they, looks as if that's been boned


9488:There's your bone


9489:Oh there's your bone, what about that one leg, boneless, four fifty nine


<unclear >


9490:I'll just have pies


9491:Actually a lot of the convenience stuff's been eaten and the


9492:Fair enough they needed eating


9493:Yeah <pause>


9494:Oh


9495:most of it's gone


9496:Pardon, most of it's gone


<unclear >


9497:who's been eating it?
9498:<pause> Well I know somebody's left it behind, do you want it?


9499:That's right


9500:Yeah <pause> you're welcome <pause> that's it

 <unclear > <pause>


9501: de, de, umbrella


9502:Pancake day


9503:Don't forget

 <unclear > <pause>


9504:I ate a lot of them, but they've gone off, they'd really had


9505:These are seventy nine


9506:Which?
9507:These look, well, these look a better bunch, get one of those, I'll get one of these


9508:One of these?


9509:Yeah well get one of those, I'll get, one of these, they look pretty good <pause>, mm lovely bunch of grapes those, oh yes, oh yes <pause> what are these plums?
9510:They're a bit hard aren't they?


9511:They are really they're


<unclear >


9512:well do you want some that are a bit hard?


9513:No <pause>


9514:Do you want any salad?


<unclear >


9515:pardon?
9516:Paula


9517:What?


9518:do you want any salad?
9519:<pause> Young gifted and black, do, do, do are we okay for potatoes?


9520:Yeah we're alright


9521:Ah, do you want any swede?


9522:Swede?


9523:Not swede, parsnips sorry, miles away there, parsnips do you want any?
9524:Pardon?


9525:No <pause>


9526:Anything else?


9527:Carrots <pause>


9528:<vocal desc=humming> Any umbrellas to buy today <pause> umbrellas, singing do a do, do, a is that it?


9529:Yes, apples <pause>


9530:<vocal desc=humming> They look nice these Cox's


9531:The skin on them, they don't eat them


<unclear >


9532:beautiful apples though Paula <pause> right what frozen stuff do we want?
9533:<pause> It's a bit


<unclear >


9534:really

 <unclear > <pause>


9535:have they got the, the other pies that we have, this is it <pause> how about one with ham in it?


9536:Yeah


9537:Haven't got it have they?
9538:<pause> Is that okay?
9539:<pause> They're the potato waffles


9540:Yeah


9541:that she was talking about <pause>


9542:Go on, let him try one


9543:Which is cheaper?
9544:The four or the fourteen?


9545:The four


9546:Well I don't know they may not be, won't pay five pounds <pause> eight, fours, twelve <pause> maybe <pause> cheaper by about thirty P a box if you do it that way.


9547:What we having for tea?


9548:Tonight?


9549:Yeah


9550:Have that ham


9551:Oh


9552:the


<unclear >


9553:you know what's gonna happen


9554:Every time I don't


<unclear >


9555:<vocal desc=laugh> yeah


9556:we buy ham


9557:We're okay for ice cream


9558:Yeah


9559:What about veg, frozen veg?


9560:Yeah


9561:Yes we're okay or yes we want some?


9562:No we're okay <pause>


9563:Is there anything else or is that it? <pause>


9564:We ain't got one in the fridge


9565:What's that?


9566:in the freezer


9567:Blackcurrant torte, blackcurrant torte, have we ever had one before?


9568:No


9569:Do you want an apple bar?
9570:They're nice that, with a bit of cream, that'll do Paula <pause> Paula come on now this one's free


9571:That'll keep us going <pause> biscuits, I go to the end <pause>


9572:Here I'll take them <pause> I'll do the tins <pause> is that it Paula?
9573:<pause> I'll do these bottles as well then <pause> oops <pause>


9574:That's a hundred and six pounds, eighty one


9575:Ooh


9576:I just said is that all we've got?


9577:<vocal desc=laugh> You don't get much


9578:It soon goes <pause> a hundred and six pounds, God

 <unclear > <pause>


9579:Ten Air Miles, we'll get to Paris one day


9580:There's two of us


9581:One of us, we won't get that <pause>


9582:How far is Paris?


9583:From Gatwick?
9584:<pause> I dunno maybe three hundred miles


9585:Three hundred miles?


9586:How many have you got so far?
9587:<pause> Dunno <pause>


9588:Thank you


9589:You're in the way Paula <pause>


9590:A lot of money for what we've got


9591:Just check that, make sure you've got no doubles going through

 <unclear > <pause>


9592:no <pause>


9593:Anything? <pause>


9594:We got, we got quite a lot of meat


9595:Yeah, even so a hundred and six pounds is a lot of money, when did you last come shopping?


9596:Our


<unclear >


9597:three pound, fifty


9598:Yeah <pause> how much did those two boxes cost?


9599:Haven't got that far yet <pause> two ninety nine each


9600:Three pounds each, six pounds


9601:Fifteen pound on T-shirts


9602:Ah, yeah, yeah, so, you take that off, you take the six off for those boxes that's a hundred, take fifteen off for the t-shirts, you're talking eighty five pounds then.


9603:You know, you know you carry forward, you know say I've got, I've got about now, about six thousand carry forward as me trigger money


9604:Mm, mm


9605:can I put that in next year's budget?


9606:Yeah, because it's money for you to spend


9607:I don't want to put it in me deposit you see, I want to put it in my next year's commitment


9608:Whatever money's left over that's not been committed by you, if they find that they've got fifteen hundred say, that's not been committed by you at the end of the financial year, that will automatically go into deposit


9609:Well I want to commit, I reckon the, the change over I'm having in


<unclear >


9610:is gonna cost me about four thousand


9611:And were you getting that four thousand from last year's, this year's money?


9612:This year's, no this year's trigger money


9613:This year's trigger


9614:this year's trigger money


9615:Ah


9616:so I just want to carry that over


9617:Yeah


9618:earmarked for alterations to Pauline's guttering


9619:Yeah


9620:and then I'll only have to carry forward of about three thousand, plus me twelve thousand deposit <pause>


9621:So they'll have fifteen thousand on deposit


9622:Mm


9623:Ooh


9624:I reckon I'll be using some of that, I'm, I'm gonna use I've got less than you


9625:But, hold on


9626:and now, I've got more expensive staff than you.


9627:Yeah, but, er, I've got six thousand carried forward from last year, okay you've got twelve they've got six


9628:Pass it over


9629:yeah, see what I mean, and this year, the budget


9630:Which?


9631:I've got this year it's all accounted for, I can't take anything out of it


9632:Well I think I'm in a position


9633:and, and put it to and put it into a deposit, you know this, this building I want, at the back, there's, there's nothing there, pardon?


9634:Oh I should of shown you me car


<unclear >


9635:you would of been impressed


9636:Well, yeah, there's plenty of time, I don't think sort of, it's not a magic one is it?
9637:Is it gonna fly?


9638:Oh, there's one corner of it sticking up


9639:Oh no


9640:that wants er, just put it on the seats


9641:Well just, I put it under here as well


<unclear >


9642:bring them back if it's sticking up


9643:Oh I am gonna do


9644:hold on, let's put this box in first, let's get this out, right <pause>


9645:You don't want heavy things do ya?


9646:No


9647:No these are heavy


9648:that's light <pause> the rest I'll have to


9649:these are heavy


9650:there are, all that lot'll have to go onto the seats, mind your fingers <pause> can you go down there, open that door <pause> no you'll have to come this side, I'll have to pass them through to you <pause> okay <pause> on the floor Paula might be bet the heavier stuff, then if it does fall off it's not going to <pause> make a mess <pause>


9651:This one? <pause>


9652:see that's gonna, see what I mean, as we go along that'll fall on the floor that, you'll have it all over the place, put it away <pause> okay, get some petrol now on the way <pause>


<unclear >


9653:last year, weren't it?


9654:Yes, that's because of the floor area


9655:And your numbers of, and, what you, how many kids have you got?


9656:At the moment?


9657:January number


9658:Sixty seven


9659:Yeah you see I've only got fifty two and I've got eight hundred quid less than you


9660:Crazy innit?


9661:Yeah, but I've still got three


<unclear >


9662:but the implication, the big your biggest charge on the school is the staff


9663:Yeah


9664:that's why it's crazy you see it, oh, it doesn't make sense that so much emphasis is put on floor area <pause> if er less emphasis is put on floor area and more on children

 <unclear >


9665:three, top of the scale you see


9666:Er, yeah, but there's a heck of an


9667:I'm gonna be really pushed

 <unclear > <pause>


9668:because it, the biggest cost us teachers <pause> and the number of teachers you need is governed by the number of


9669:Children


9670:children you have


9671:Except the twenty five, fifty two in two classes


9672:I'm not, I'm not saying that you should have any


9673:is not good


9674:I, I don't think you should have any less money, I'm saying that we should have more, we are, we're losing out


9675:Yeah


9676:you're not gaining it's


9677:No


9678:it's us that are losing out


9679:we're better than you <pause>


9680:there should be more emphasis on, on number of children <pause> that was lucky, it's on this side isn't it?


9681:My side


9682:Your side the erm cap, petrol cap <pause> are we paying by Access?


9683:Mm


9684:Oh I thought that was your, that was one of the teachers at the course there <pause>


9685:The trigger on that gun went at fifteen pounds, er just about


<unclear >


9686:sixteen, I've got the card here okay


9687:Have you got mine?


9688:no I've got my own


9689:Oh I, I've just put mine

 <unclear > <pause>


9690:thank you <pause> it's cooling down a bit now, it's been a gorgeous day though, that sun


9691:Mother thinks it was you


9692:five o'clock


9693:she see driving along, yes it's light now


9694:Thank you


9695:When do the clocks go, alter?


9696:March


<unclear >


9697:thank you <pause> thanks a lot, thanks


9698:Oh I know what you can have, you can have waffles and that can't ya?


9699:Can have what?


9700:Those waffles and


9701:With the ham, yeah


9702:Mm, please Tony he wanted to try them know what they're


9703:he can try them now


9704:Yeah that's what we'll have for tea waffles and ham and can have a bottle of wine, I'm still on my antibiotics


9705:When do you come off your antibiotics?


9706:Tomorrow


9707:Tomorrow, you finish them tomorrow, completely?
9708:<pause> Bet you're pleased with that?


9709:Can I have a


9710:Yeah


9711:pot of <pause> tea?


9712:How do you feel now, how's that?


9713:Oh it's still tight


9714:Really, are you gonna carry on taking the those red bombers


9715:How many am I down to?


9716:that he's given you?


9717:What am I down to, eight Tuesday, eight, seven


9718:Seven


9719:six, five, four left then


9720:Oh you've had today's?


9721:Yeah


9722:So it's three tomorrow <pause> you know we've got away with this winter


9723:Oh another, I can't remember such a good winter


9724:Yeah we had, er that cold snap before Christmas and was it November?


9725:Yeah, but we haven't


9726:And we've had one or two cold snaps, little cold snaps


9727:Yes, but we haven't had any frost, ice


9728:hadn't real we've had the frost of we have


9729:Yeah, but there's been, I think there's been one warning when


9730:we haven't had the bad weather, we haven't had the fogs that


9731:it was icy going to school


9732:we haven't had the fogs that other people have had


9733:They've had it worse in other parts of the country


9734:we've done very well for escaping it, the only trouble is we haven't got the rain and now, this, this coming summer I dread to think what's gonna happen, look how dry those fields are, just look at it <pause> if we get a wind up, if we, a wind starts to blow it'll move a lot of this, it will just lift it up into the air, we'll get clouds of soil blowing all over the place.
9735:We won't, we won't have snow drifts we'll have soil, soil drifts, as daft as that, God where is all this traffic coming from?

 <unclear >


9736:Oh, yo, yo, yo, yo <pause> if he pulls up he's, he's a goner, ah, pull off there, the bus got off, has he?


9737:Yeah


9738:Now


<unclear >


9739:right up his backside

 <unclear > <pause>


9740:Father was very quiet though you know.


9741:Was it because he was tired?


9742:Oh


<unclear >


9743:washed out <pause> he very quickly got tired, you remember in hospital, he quickly got tired and if he laid down he quickly seemed to get his energy back, he'd come back and be


9744:You think it is the beginning of the erm


9745:<vocal desc=sigh> God I hope not <pause> but it is a reaction obviously er to the radiation treatment <pause> but


9746:But


9747:it's the amount of tiredness that is cu you know he's showing and, and his speed into tiredness and then his recovery from it, that's unusual that he could be


9748:He's on tablets that are, er what's it, what were they called?
9749:Erm


9750:Well he's on six lots isn't he?


9751:Yeah, well one lot of tablets were, was, they weren't for relaxing tablets but they were called <pause> er


9752:What?


9753:I can't remember


9754:What, designed to do what then?


9755:Relax


9756:To relax him


9757:Mm, relax and <pause> that will be to slow him down though


9758:Ah, yeah, maybe


9759:He's on relaxants


9760:Looks as though Ipswich have won


9761:Hmm


9762:all the scarfs are flying


9763:not necessarily


9764:Well they usually don't fly when, when they've got beaten, let's see what's on <pause> there we are

 <vocal desc=yawn>


9765:That's division three <pause> division three this <pause> West Brom

 <unclear >


9766:nil


9767:<vocal desc=laugh> One week, what he wants to do is to change it round <pause>


9768:Nil


9769:Nil <pause> seven away, scored seven away <pause> four, three <pause> he said down here didn't he that lad?


9770:Yes


9771:So what's, when you say he's


<unclear >


9772:when you say he's got erm, he's going to Saint Paul's as a pupil?


9773:Choir school, he voice


9774:He must have a good voice then


9775:Yeah he


<unclear >


9776:he's blossomed since you've been there


<unclear >


9777:she, she wanted him to, the psychologist saw him cos he was


9778:Oh <pause> do you think Anna would of, I hope she's doing something like this


9779:I hope she's doing something


9780:Pardon?


9781:I hope she's doing something <pause>


9782:If she's er <pause> if she's sorted a village out, that'll be great


9783:Mm <pause>


<unclear >


9784:say, sort out erm a school


9785:We said a village with a school in it


9786:With a school, yeah <pause> we could be asking too much you know


9787:Mm


9788:with that


9789:I don't think so


9790:You don't think so?


9791:No, she'll thrive on it, well if she can't do it then we can't do it


9792:That's right


9793:No and I don't think you'll get away doing it any other way, mm, not with all the new, if these new restrictions are coming in, I must


9794:Yeah


9795:ring up tomorrow


9796:What about the Hungarians, you know that thing about the


9797:I'm going to ring up tomorrow


9798:Who you going to ring Romanian Relief?


9799:Southampton, Southampton


9800:Is it only office hours?


9801:Mm <pause>


9802:Does er <pause> we need to know things like that and if you


9803:I still question whether we'll go


9804:Why?


9805:if there are problems


9806:If these are the problems


9807:Mm


9808:or not


9809:Oh have you got that on?


9810:Mm, doesn't matter


9811:If there are the problems of taxes and <pause>


<unclear >


9812:taxes?


9813:Mm


9814:That's why I don't, well if the Hungarians are gonna charge <pause> is it two thousand pounds or something?


9815:Mm


9816:If they go and charge that we


<unclear >


9817:we can't afford that


9818:Well no you get it back supposedly


9819:Yeah, but if you get it back in funds <pause> well that's no use to you is it?
9820:Who's gonna take two thousand pounds worth of pounds out of Hungary?
9821:Who?


9822:I don't know yet


9823:Nobody in their right mind, do you remember that, were you there when that guy from Kuwait


9824:Mm, mm


9825:tried to change


9826:Mm


9827:his foreign and done it, done it all legally at the hotel and so on


9828:Yeah


9829:and the state he was in and they didn't want to know did they?
9830:<pause> They more or less called him a fool when he tried to change back into whatever it was <pause> our current whatever it was <pause> and if that's the case erm <pause> Hungar Hungarians are holding on to this two thousand pound, it's surety isn't it?


9831:Mm <pause>


9832:You'd be stoned dead


9833:and it's if they're taxing on the border


<unclear >


9834:well, well that's what it is but if you can get into Romania


9835:Into Romania as well you're being double blowed


9836:I can't see that honestly I just, I just


9837:I can


9838:can't see them


9839:I can <pause>


9840:seeing it as an import so they're taxing imports


9841:Mm, yeah <pause>


9842:I think <pause> I wouldn't of thought they'd be so thick skinned as to turn away help, that so much help, I just can't see it

 <unclear > <pause>


9843:They've had, not just from Britain they've had help, they've had it from all over Europe and it's still


9844:Yeah, but


9845:it's still going in, the media's involved in it as well, I would of thought people like Anneke Rice would of picked that up <pause> Are you going to try her again


9846:Yeah, I'm trying to get this ready for tomorrow, I'm just <pause>


9847:Well it's, it's gonna be very late there, you'll be getting her out of bed if you're not careful <pause> I know she says it doesn't mind, she, she doesn't mind it doesn't matter, but <pause> <vocal desc=sigh> oh dear, there's a piece here in the newspaper did you see that?


9848:Yeah <pause>


9849:Mrs <gap reason=anonymization desc="last or full name"> have you heard of her?


9850:I read it


9851:Have you heard of her?


9852:No


9853:No I don't, she's obviously been before or been involved with it before <pause> What time does Tony want picking up?


9854:About twenty past the same route


9855:Same as Paul


9856:Mm


9857:Right <pause> mm <pause> wonder which way this paper's going to go, on the election, there's a piece here about title that that's no way to treat a lady no, I think it's all to do with, yeah it looks like

 <unclear > <pause>


9858:An Access card had been found at a meeting of the Liberal Democrats for Eastern Region contracts, and, M S Sue Sutton, who was a candidate for


<unclear >


9859:South West


<unclear >


9860:Hampstead they've found, and the paper says the grey haired woman who


<unclear >


9861:to collect the card but did Ms Sutton gracefully rise from her seat to hand it to her, no, she tossed it over the rim of the platform onto the floor below leaving the poor woman to scrabble around for several minutes looking for it and the, and the punch line is a little later an embarrassed Ms Sutton is contesting Cambridgeshire South West for the Lib Dems at the general election, apologised for her cavalier behaviour, let us hope she learnt from the experience yeah


9862:Mm


9863:now what on earth has that got to do with a policy of a political party, the way somebody handles a lost Access card I wonder, mm?
9864:<pause> No way <pause>

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